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The Raw Dog Food Truth
Pets with allergies, skin issues gut issues, and behavior issues can live better lives by eating a species-appropriate diet. Find out the dangers of kibble and cooked foods. Your Pet's Health Is Our Business "Friends Don't Let Friends Feed Kibble"
The Raw Dog Food Truth
Why Your Vet's Low-Fat Recommendation Might Be Harming Your Dog
,Dr. Judy Jasek and DeDe Murcer Moffett expose the misleading veterinary practices causing pet parents to unnecessarily restrict protein and fat in their dogs' diets while ignoring the real culprits behind health issues.
• The smell of kibble plants and pet food stores reveals the truth about processed pet foods
• Perianal fistulas are often treated with immunosuppressants when natural anti-inflammatory approaches could be more effective
• Misdiagnosis of pancreatitis has become common with the introduction of quick bedside tests
• Raw animal fat does not cause pancreatitis - processed treats with sugars and artificial ingredients are more likely culprits
• Most raw diets contain only 14-18% protein, not the 80% many assume
• Elevated kidney values in raw-fed dogs are often normal variations or caused by temporary dehydration
• Phosphorus levels are a better indicator of kidney function than BUN and creatinine alone
• Popular treats labeled "no artificial ingredients" often contain problematic additives like brown sugar, salt and "natural smoke flavor"
• The healthcare system puts both humans and animals into diagnostic boxes rather than addressing root causes
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Oh snap. Well, hello Raw Feeders. I'm Deedee Mercer-Moffitt, CEO of Raw Dog Food and Company. We are Pets, Health is our business and we're friends, like my friend, Dr Judy Jasek extraordinary, she doesn't let people feed kibble. Right, Dr Jasek? Come on.
Speaker 2:No, not ever, Not even the good ones, not even with a topper arm. No, not, not ever, not even the good ones.
Speaker 1:Not even with a topper arm. You know, I I think I've said this before, but I I walked into a pet food store a couple of days ago Cause I was looking for a bed for laws for one of our cars and, um, I cannot stand the smell in there. I cannot, it just makes me gag, makes me gag. You can literally smell the processed foods in a pet food store.
Speaker 2:It's disgusting to me it's really disgusting. You know, we have out here outside of Nashville just see just east of Nashville on I-40, which kind of a main interstate. We have a Royal Canaan plant here and always reminds me of the Purina plant there, I-70 outside of Denver, you know, remember driving by that and how bad it stinks, and the Royal Canaan plants, of course, the same way. It's like I always drive by like.
Speaker 1:Think about this. I mean all of these Purina plants, and it would be interesting to know how many there are, because there seem to be one in every state, a giant Purina plant. So how many dogs out there are eating bad food?
Speaker 2:A ton, a ton the majority of them, sadly. I mean, what percentage of pets do you and I actually influence? Sadly, it's probably a very, very small percentage. I mean, it's kind of our whole world. So it's easy to feel like you know we're affecting a bigger part of the population, but when it comes to all the I don't know how many pets there are 300 million or something it's a lot of pets. In in the country there's a lot of pets. Maybe it's not that many.
Speaker 2:I think there's 300 million people but anyway there's a lot, millions and millions and we just touch a small percentage of that. And yeah, you see those big plants and you know, and you know I always wondered, you know they're in Denver. It's like kind of right there by stockyards and stuff and it's like, well, how convenient they're just putting all the dead carcasses and everything. Just let's throw them in the hopper there at the Prina plant and cook them up and grind them into dog food.
Speaker 1:People don't believe that though, dr Jasek. Even if we tell them they don't believe that, they're like yeah, that doesn't happen. I'm like well, it damn sure does.
Speaker 2:But okay, you know you know, go go to that Prina plant. Let's see if they'd even let you peek inside. I bet they don't.
Speaker 1:Okay. So I just did a question to chat GPT on how many dogs are in the U? S. According to trusted house sitters, uh, there are 89.7 million dogs in the U? S as of 2024. Um, and the AVMA estimates between 83.7 and 88.9. So let's just say, you know whatever, there are at least 85 million dogs. 80, 85 million. Yeah, holy cow, holy cow.
Speaker 2:That's a lot.
Speaker 1:That's why. That's why there are perina plants everywhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's crazy.
Speaker 2:And big stores like PetSmart and Petco, and all those with aisles and aisles and aisles of stacks and stacks of that stinky food.
Speaker 1:Yeah, gross. Okay, speaking of gross, not really gross, but we want to talk a little bit today about perianal fistulas. Yeah, that's so gross. Okay, can you kind of explain? Obviously we're talking about the anal area. Why do they use the word perianal? What does that mean? Peri?
Speaker 2:Peri means around or in the area of. So it's basically just in the area around the anus. Gotcha, another way it's used, but nothing is coming to me. But yeah, it's in the area of the anus, so like around the anus.
Speaker 1:So we know some people that are perianal, that their, that their head is perianal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or or directly in but, All right, I digress.
Speaker 1:Okay, so a fistula? Uh, this is around the anus area, but then there's the fistula. What is a fistula?
Speaker 2:so fistula, it's like we call it a draining tract in kind of in medicine, but it's basically like an opening. But they can go in like a couple, like in a big dog. German shepherds seem to be a little predisposed to this, not german shepherds like yours that are healthy but unhealthy. German shepherds seem to be a little predisposed to this, not German Shepherds like yours that are healthy but unhealthy. German Shepherds that are, you know, fed, killed and over-vaccinated, and all that because it's I think they're, they're like a cause but like a disruption in the immune system. But we can talk more about that. But anyway it's, it's like a, it's like an opening that goes in.
Speaker 2:But what's weird about? So they'll see a little sore and it's not the anal gland. So the anal glands, that are these little sacks on either side of the anus. It's not that it will be on the outside of that, it's not directly related to the anal sack and you'll see this little sore open up, but then it's like the opening can go in there, sometimes a couple of inches, and then it gets like this lining on the inside and they're really hard to heal and they tend to respond to immunosuppressive treatments. So it seems to be like a you know some sort of aberration of the immune system or autoimmune or or something like that. I mean, nobody really knows what causes them, but they show up and they can be really hard to treat. It's really hard to get them to clear up, but the foundation for treating them is the same. We reduce inflammation by improving the diet and doing like anti-inflammatory herbs, herbs that help reduce inflammation and like local like irrigation, like irrigating them with saline and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:So if you, if you, had a client that was a raw feeder, has been a raw feeder for many years, but now their dog is being diagnosed with perianal fistula, would you be looking at what kind of proteins they're feeding and suggesting that they switch up their proteins?
Speaker 2:No, probably not. In a word, no, probably wouldn't be doing that. They're probably saying it's like a food allergy, or cause.
Speaker 1:They don't know what causes it.
Speaker 2:We really don't know, they kind of. I've seen them, they can kind of show up out of nowhere, um it's. It's very hard to connect the dots. But then I would also wonder, is this dog had any vaccines? You know anything like that that could have disrupted the immune system? But it is about reducing inflammation. So you know, I would do anti-inflammatory herbs and like again, like local, you know irrigation, like I'm. I like I've done a lot with ozone, like irrigating, something like that with like ozonated saline or something where you're oxygenating the area. You're just trying to get the tissue they're really, really healthy because they do. They get this lining in them, that and they it can be really hard to get them to heal. But no, I would not be isolating proteins. I would be focusing on making sure the dog's on an appropriately balanced species, appropriate raw diet.
Speaker 1:That's a mouthful. Yeah, it does seem that this you know we need to change up the proteins is a vet just sort of reaching for whatever they can.
Speaker 2:They don't know what to do. They probably put the dog on antibiotics too, or recommend it because that's the other thing they do when they don't know what to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So in order to kind of irrigate that area, is that something that a pet parent can do themselves? They could get the equipment and then they could get the stuff from you, or how would they go about doing that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause all this they need to do. I mean, they could even probably do it with something like distilled water, cause it's not sterile, right, like if you're doing giving a pet fluids like they're dehydrated, like Lazy Liz with the vomiting and all that that you have to give like sterile fluids. But this is not sterile, it's open to the outside, so you could, um, I was just talking to a client the other day, actually this morning, her, the doc, has a tumor that's opened up, it's got a little hole in it, and I said, go buy some contact lens saline, you know, because it's just saline Um doesn't have to be sterile and you can get syringes. You can buy syringes on Amazon these days, you can get them all over the place. Or go to your feed store and get a syringe, just put some of that in there and then just kind of shoot it in there. It's the it's. It's not so much what you're putting in there, it's this physical like irrigation, keeping it clean, keeping the tissues in there. I don't recommend putting like a strong disinfectant like betadine or something like that in there, but irrigating it.
Speaker 2:And then, you know, I I do a lot with you know, with Chinese herbs, um, to help reduce inflammation. But things that they could do would be things like turmeric. Turmeric's a good natural, like good anti-inflammatory. This is a supplement that you know taking it in the hole, but um, but that sort of thing, and you know, look also. Look at the pet's environment. Is there anything new? Even new bedding? You know you mentioned beds. Sometimes there's chemicals on bedding. They put, you know, flame retardants on that's furniture. I mean everything in our world um could have a chemical on it. So is there anything new in the dog's environment? Make sure they're feeding in, you know, non-plastic bowls. You know, most likely stainless steel glasses Okay, but I never use glass because it breaks. So, um, but stainless steel, make sure there's nothing new that the dog um could be reacting to. Even trying something like some CBD from an anti-inflammatory perspective, you know could help.
Speaker 2:But I would start with really making sure they're really nailing the nutrition and and balancing that out. Make sure they're not slipping in some little. Sometimes you know they'll slip in some little. Sometimes you know they'll slip in some little extra treats or give the kibble now and then. Or you know, if the dog's been vaccinated, that could could be a contributing cause. But also add in things like algae, like the phyto phytosynergy from adored bees, mushrooms, like a good mushroom blends. These are all just adding extra nutrition and helping to balance out the immune system. Um, I would start there. I would not be doing antibiotics, it's not a bacterial thing at all, um, and I would continue to rotate proteins and make sure that their diet is, you know, is super well balanced and then, if it's not healing, like I said, we, we do stuff like with Chinese herbal blends and stuff like that. That can also help.
Speaker 1:So you just said something very important, because typically they're going to put them on a cycle cyclose support. How do you say that?
Speaker 2:Oh, cyclosporine yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Suppressive Yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so would you be in favor of an immunosuppressant for that, not initially, if they get really bad.
Speaker 2:I mean, I have seen them respond to immunosuppressive drugs. They do respond to cyclosporine or prednisone. But I would try because usually they're not problematic, meaning not painful, like you know, and it's not like something that's life-threatening if you don't get it to resolve. If you have an autoimmune anemia or something that's life-threatening, you have to put those dogs on immunosuppressive drugs to get that to stop and rebuild, start rebuilding their blood, and then you work on balancing the body. But you don't really need that kind of emergency intervention here. I would work on balancing the body first. If symptomatically it becomes like painful or irritating or you know, sometimes the dogs scoot their butts a lot and you know becomes a problem then maybe for the short term to get it under control. But remember, it's not treating anything. All this doing is making it look better temporarily. So you're better off working on balancing off the body and seeing if the body can get it resolved rather than, um, you know, just going right for the immunosuppressive drugs, cause there's just going to prolong the healing in the long run.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, gotcha. Okay, good advice, good advice. And if your dog has been um diagnosed with a perianal that's around the anal fistula, you might want to get a second opinion about how to treat that and work with Dr Judy Jasik at ahavetcom.
Speaker 2:There's also such a thing as a perianal hernia, which is where the muscles like out away from it, kind of break open, and then that's usually surgical because you got to go tuck them back in.
Speaker 1:Yikes. Okay, so I have another question for you. So a lot of times, dr Jasek, when we hear the word pancreatitis, right. So someone says my dog has pancreatitis, I need a low fat option, or I need low protein, right, low fat, let me low proteins on my next question. But low fat option? Well, most of the foods are ready in an accurate or you know a fat ratio. We're not talking about a 20, 30% fat ratio in these blends. So here's what we do to determine what's going on. We don't just take that at face value because we get so much of this right, the pancreatitis. So first I want to ask you how do you think that? Well, first of all, let me ask you this Do you think that pancreatitis in dogs gets misdiagnosed?
Speaker 2:Yes, All the time, especially recently, I would say it didn't used to, but I would say in recent years because they're coming out with like these little slight bedside snap tests in the clinic. You know just this quick little pancreatitis, yes or no tests. And so, yes, I do think it's being misdiagnosed.
Speaker 1:Okay, so what we do is we start asking the questions. Now. Some pet parents don't like it, right, they just want okay, tell me, what blend is low fat? Well, what you're feeding is is pretty low fat, right. Eight to ten percent, it's pretty normal. We don't need it any lower than that. Even 12 can be fine.
Speaker 1:And you and I don't look at raw fat, raw animal fat, as a cause of pancreatitis. Okay, so we started asking these questions. Now, one of the questions that I always ask is one how did they determine that? And they will say I always ask is one how did they determine that? And they will say oh well, they did a blood test, okay, well, the second thing that we ask is tell us what the symptoms? Uh, well, the second thing we ask are what else is going into the diet, okay, besides raw? Because people will say this they'll say well, my dog is been purely on raw for X amount of years.
Speaker 1:There's quite obviously a situation where we can advise, recommend to help the pet parents change something so that they don't have to get on these low fat, because we don't think that's a great option, and so that they don't get on medication.
Speaker 1:All right, this is what the symptoms were, and then I'm going to tell you what else was in the diet. But here's the symptoms restlessness, lethargy, vomiting, loss of appetite. And then then the pet parent goes on to explain this that the dog would erratically run around the house and then randomly flop on her back and then be doing the down dog stretch over and over again, as well as having a hunchback when running around, and they said that this would last for hours and then she would be very lethargic. And so the vet determined that she had a fever and a grade one heart murmur. They ran blood work and results concluded pancreatitis. And they said that this dog had the symptoms of what I just explained several times in the summer, but the vet could not determine anything at the time, and then she would go back to normal and then this would happen again. Any thoughts on that information?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it definitely sounds like the dog's uncomfortable for some reason. Um, and that can be hard to determine because, I will say so, I think the vet you know jumped on the pancreatic and pancreatitis thing because of the pain, assuming it's abdominal pain. And I always like to know what blood tests they run, because the blood tests are not all that accurate in my experience in diagnosing pancreatitis. But back pain will cause very similar symptoms. If you're looking at just pain symptoms, this discomfort, so this downward dog thing, I think that can be a sign of discomfort. You know the dog definitely is showing some signs of discomfort. But that can happen, you know, along the back, with back spasms and things like that and it's the same area of the body, spasms and things like that and it's the same area of the body. So it can be hard to determine. Lethargy can be pain. You know the dog doesn't feel like doing anything because when it does things it hurts. It hurts to move around. So I always have to differentiate. Is the dog not wanting to do as much because it's in pain? So you have to kind of rule out those other things. Pain, so you have to kind of rule out those other things Vomiting.
Speaker 2:I always ask how much or how often is the dog vomiting? Because earlier on in my career, when we diagnosed pancreatitis and what I came to learn is and I still think this is true pancreatitis really is definitively diagnosed by an ultrasound. You look at the pancreas and you see it's swollen. Looking at pancreatic enzymes in the blood and some of this newer testing they have, I don't think is definitive for a true pancreatitis, because the dogs that we used to call pancreatitis, these dogs could hold down nothing. They were vomiting multiple times an hour. These dogs could hold down nothing. They were vomiting multiple times an hour. You had to hold them completely off of anything early for like 72 hours. You give them IV fluids. They were that sick. That is what true pancreatitis is to me. These dogs are a little, you know, painful, vomiting here and there. Um to me that's not documented pancreatitis.
Speaker 2:So I would want to know, you know, more, more answers to that question and you know I always recommend things like how about a chiropractor? How about, you know, maybe some body work, you know, see if there's any pain along the back? And again, how often are they vomiting? And, of course, what are they eating? Is there something inflammatory in the diet Cause I think pancreatitis is caused by inflammatory ingredients. All the carbs, all this stuff that we talk about, or unhealthy fats, saturated animal fat, that's like. I don't think there's even any chance that that causes pancreatitis, even if they're getting a lot of it because it's a healthy fat. But your trans fats or your seed oils that are highly processed at high temperatures, that are in kibble or any biscuit type treats or a lot of human fast food. So if you're sharing yeah, my dog eats raw, but I share my chicken McNuggets with them, or they have a puppuccino now and then you know that stuff all counts for what they're eating.
Speaker 1:It does count, and that's why I'm going to take you to the next part of the story, where we, where we always ask what treats what else is going into the diet? Okay, if you had a dog that was exhibiting these kinds of issues and you had a treat that had these in this treat, okay, this is a Kirkland's a brand. It is a jerky treat for dog, which I find is very misleading, because they say right up here no artificial colors, flavors or preservatives, but then you go into the ingredients, dr Jasek, and it's chicken. Next one is brown sugar salt, natural flavor, natural smoke flavor and rosemary extract. Well, I would call that artificial. How do you get natural smoke flavor? Are we building a fire and then fanning the flames so that this natural smoke can get on it, or rubbing the meat on the log, the charcoal log, you know, to make it taste like.
Speaker 1:And why, dr Jason? Why do we need natural smoke flavor for a?
Speaker 2:dog? Yeah, because they don't smoke their meat. You ever see wolves sitting around the smoker drinking a beer? No, oh, that's the people that do that. Right, because who's buying it? It's the people. Oh, I like smoke flavor of it. My dog would like smoke flavor too.
Speaker 1:This and I can tell you that when we really look into diets, this is where most of the time we see digestive, gut and poop issues. That's why we always are asking about treats. What else is in the diet? I would say you've got to take this one out of the diet. Brown sugar, salt, natural flavors, natural smoke flavor, rosemary extract Way too much stuff in there. We don't know if this certainly the sugar could be causing the stomach to expand. And again, why do we need sugar in a dog treat?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:One word Addictive. But here's what people do, dr Jasek they want to switch the most important thing the protein, the fat. They want to drop that down.
Speaker 2:Right and they're missing what's likely the real cause of the issue, the pancreatitis is. You know, something is a flavoring natural. I mean, meat is flavored. Meat flavored because it's meat right. You don't have to add flavoring to it. Why do you have to add liver failure, liver, liver flavor to a dog treat? Because it should just taste like liver, you know. So you know you're putting a bunch of artificial stuff in and yeah, that's what they're reacting to. You've got to eliminate all that artificial stuff. Even you know foods. There's foods out there, raw foods, with all these different ingredients in.
Speaker 2:Just meat, bones and organs. Just get down to the meat, bones and organs and see how they do on that. And by incriminating one thing and just eliminating fat, well, where are they going to get their vitamin D from? Where are they going to get their vitamin D and the other fat soluble vitamins, vitamin K2 and vitamin A, if they're not getting fat? We cut it back too much. They're not getting fat soluble vitamins because they live in the fat and that is. I don't even know how that ever got started. That fat is a problem. I think it's. I know what I used to hear from clients. I still do every now and then. Well, my dog ate my French fries and got pancreatitis. So it must've been fat, must be fat Like okay, how about the salt, the sugar, the potato, which is a start, and they're probably fried in corn oil or soybean oil or something like that, or canola oil. So it's not the fat, it's the other ingredients, like you said, and perhaps the type of fat the other ingredients like you said and perhaps the type of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So anything that says jerky guys, I'm very uh, I am very, very suspect of. So check your ingredients, okay. The last question that I have for you today. We get this one a lot, dr Jacek.
Speaker 1:Um, where people want to now lower the protein. Why, where people want to now lower the protein? Why, because the bun and the creatin are elevated, okay, are elevated in. Their vet says you've got to lower the protein. So, brian, our nutritionist, was talking to the pet parent and he said well, how low do you want to go? Because, in reality, these proteins so you've got this role, okay which people call raw right, and it is raw, but in that row we've got meat, bones, organ and fat and people get it in their head that that's 80% protein. No, there's 80% of the meat in there. No, there's 80% of the meat in there, but the actual protein is somewhere in the 14 to 18% range. Okay, so how low do we want to go? And we would say you don't need to go low.
Speaker 1:What we need to understand is what is causing the creatinine in the bun to increase Now? Is causing the creatinine in the bun to increase Now? This is a seasoned raw feeder, so they do know that the bun and the creatinine is going to be higher in raw fed dogs, but we don't have the numbers. They are saying that the numbers are higher. The question that Brian had Dr Jasek was is there. He thought that he had read this someplace that there was another number, that if it was elevated because I know when you look at numbers you not only are saying all right, why is this elevated at this time? Was there some type of an assault that the body is just doing its job and therefore those numbers are higher and it's working and they'll come back down but he wanted to know whether there was another number that would suggest that it wasn't one of the organs that was having an issue. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2:That it wasn't one of the organs that was having an issue.
Speaker 1:Or that it could be misdiagnosed due to just looking at the bun and the creatinine. Should we be looking at something else as well?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So the other indicator I look at for kidney issues. So it depends on how high they are. First of all. You know, if they're just like a few points out of the normal range, then I see either normal fluctuation, or you commonly see that in older pets or it's because they're just like a few points out of the normal range. Then I see either normal fluctuation or you commonly see that older pets, or it's because they're eating raw. If they're getting you know, higher, like, say, a BUN over 50 or a creatinine maybe over three, then maybe we're starting to see some issues with the kidneys, which just tells us that the kidneys maybe need some additional support. But the other thing that I look at is phosphorus. Well, before I say that, I want to say something.
Speaker 2:There is one other lab value that's looked at that I don't look at. It's called the SDMA. It's a relatively new. Well, new, probably in the last 10 years. It's newer. I don't find it to correlate. Well, it can go, it can be elevated without the BN and creatinine being elevated, and they'll still say the pet has kidney issues and needs to be on the protein diets and all that. I think they come out with these new tests just so they can diagnose more stuff. Personally, I have not seen that one correlate, so I don't look at the SDMA, but the phosphorus. So one of the things that the kidneys do is clear phosphorus and if the kidneys are truly losing function, so they're truly, truly can't do their job anymore, phosphorus goes up, and when the phosphorus goes up, that's a sign that we are starting to truly have compromised kidney function. If we don't have an elevated phosphorus and the Bionicratin are up, then you know we're still got a good window there to do some support, maybe some herbs to help support the kidneys. Again, if they're above a certain value, minor elevations I don't even worry about, you know, if they're, if they're being fed raw, and even if we have the higher values, I don't change your diet either. I just do more herbs and stuff for kidneys because they need the right, they need proper nutrition.
Speaker 2:You have to give the kidneys the nutrients it needs to be a healthy kidney. And if you put them on these ultra low protein diets that are, by the way, people worried about pancreatitis, you know how they get dogs to eat these low protein diets because they don't have any flavor. They put a bunch of fat in them. That's what makes them, you know, taste good to the dogs. So then you're setting them up for. And these are unhealthy fats too. So then you're setting them up for other problems there. But these low protein diets they're not even giving them enough nutrition. So I get just always have to be careful not to micromanage any one nutrient, whether it's protein or fat or zinc or iron or whatever. The thing that's getting picked on is you have to be really careful not to micromanage any one nutrient.
Speaker 2:And look at you know other things that might've been going on with the dog. You know I've had clients like when I talked to you and like their dog all of a sudden goes in, gets blood work, got some elevated kidney values and we talk about what's when I said cause the dog had been a little dehydrated, cause if they're even a little dehydrated, those values go up and like, yeah, actually we went for a really long hike before that blood work was done and so maybe the dog hadn't had enough to drink that day. It would have gotten caught up later in the day. But the timing of the blood work, or a dog that has vomiting or diarrhea, like Lazi, did you know she's dehydrated. So the kidney values, um, are going to be up, but the conventional vets just put this label on kidney disease and they'll give it some stage stage one, two, three, you know, just to scare people even more. So you got to be on this.
Speaker 2:You know low protein diet but I think a lot of people don't understand. I've had people say well, I don't think a hundred percent protein is healthy for my dog. I'm like well, neither do I. Where do you get that? Yeah, 100 protein, right, are you feeding like a protein powder or something like I don't know? Because raw food, yeah, around 15 protein. So it's not, it's not high protein and it's a species appropriate proteins. If you're feeding a high pro, I mean, if people look, look at a bag of kibble, cause it's dry matter. Some of those are 40 to 50% protein and it's like corn and soybean and really unhealthy protein. So dogs might do better to cut back on those proteins. But on a meat protein, you don't. You don't need to, you don't need to cut it back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the thing. We don't quantify things much, you know. We're like well, this protein is not the same as that protein. Is it plant protein? Is it animal protein? Is it? You know what kind of protein is it? And it's just like a calorie. Well, which calorie are we concerned about? Are we concerned about the protein? Are we concerned about the fat? Are we concerned about the protein? Are we concerned about the fat? Are we concerned about the carb? Which one? Right? So, because, because they're all different, and that's that's the thing that that we try to get down to, and I think that sometimes it irritates pet parents because they just are like, I don't know, I just just just give me the low protein diet. You're already on it, You're already there, Right? So that's great information.
Speaker 1:You know, listen to you talk, and you've said this many, many times that vets today are only go by the diagnostic tools and I was listening to a podcast with with Tucker Carlson and it was a guy who was talking about the pharmaceutical industry and and and actually the antidepressant arena right, ssris, painkillers, all these different types of things and he was primarily talking about depression, but he said the exact same thing. He said, look, the profession doesn't allow for you to really understand why somebody is depressed, right, why? And is it their job? Is it their marriage? Is it their relationships? You know kind of what is it? And he said so they put everybody in a box. And he said everybody is different. And he was talking about this was a Tucker Carlson interview, if I didn't already say that he was just talking about the danger, the danger of this and how sometimes these antidepressants and well, not sometimes, many times they cause actual brain injuries.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And leave people just to commit suicide and things.
Speaker 1:Right. So Tucker Carlson asked him about testing right, because we get that a lot in this world and he said there is no testing that's going to be done. They said it's obvious when you look at people right, when you are counseling with people, and they come off antidepressants and they have massive anxiety or they're talking about little holes in their brains, it's just, it's crazy. So my whole point to that is it is systematic throughout the whole healthcare arena and I don't think that pet parents think that extends over to their pets and it does especially to the pets.
Speaker 2:Because those depressed people too, I bet, would be tremendously helped by a diet change. They bet they don't ask them how much sugar do you eat. Are you eating healthy fats to help feed your brain? Are you getting outside and getting exercise? Go out for walks in the sunshine? They don't ask them that either.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it was just. It's crazy because I, as I just looked at chat GPT, I think that that if we're able to, just now, we're not going to do Dr Google, we're going to do chat GPT solutions. Right, how, how many of those are we going to get wrong?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Right, how many of pets and people will suffer, right? I love what Robert Kennedy is doing right now, but I said this to Brian on the podcast the other night Probably didn't, but on the news they were showing the list of companies that were getting on board with the MAGA right, make America Healthy Again. Maha, sorry, and I was struck by this All of these companies that had foods that they had dangerous chemicals in that they could take out and they were like, oh well, we'll just take this one out, we're getting on board. Yay for us. And I'm like so all these companies have known that they've had these dangerous chemicals in our food, in the pet food, and they get to just take one out and go, hey, we're on board.
Speaker 2:But they're leaving other dangerous stuff in there Right. Yeah, and now they're the good guys. They've been poisoning us all along in our pets, but now they're the good guys because they're taking one thing out. It's all like that. It's just so like programmed, you know, like do one good thing and then they're good. But you know, don't talk about all the other stuff that's in there.
Speaker 1:Great. And I love the fact that President Trump is saying all right on these COVID shots. You told me they were safe, you told me they were this and blah, blah, blah. So show me the evidence now. That's what you told me. You told me blah, blah, blah. Show me the evidence now. That's what you told me. You told me blah, blah, blah. Show me the evidence. And I was thinking about you going to Weston, a Price, and I still, I still, you know, am hopeful that when you talk and I was going to ask you will you be talking about vaccines while you're there the rabies vaccines?
Speaker 2:I'll be mentioning vaccines. I mean, I'm talking in a little broader strokes about, um, that pets are naturally healthy, that you don't need to go to the vet, that vaccine I'm not getting deep into the rabies rabbit hole, but I'm saying we don't make pets healthy by starting pumping them full of pharmaceuticals the second they're out of their mama. They need a healthy mama, you know, taking care of them, nursing them. They don't need pharmaceuticals to be healthy. So in that realm I am.
Speaker 1:Well, weston A Price is a is a large organization and I would think that that would be something that Bobby Kennedy would be looking at or could look at or could hear about. So I'm still I know it's a, it's a long shot, but I'm still hopeful that because of what they're bringing up on the people side that maybe we will be able to change something.
Speaker 2:Well, I think I, I think, and the reason I'm really, I mean, it's a number of reasons. I'm really excited to be speaking at Weston A Price, but you know they haven't had somebody in there talking about pet health. I'm the first one and it's like I think you you know, you were mentioning this earlier People don't always go back and forth. They don't take what they realize about their pet and apply the same principles to them and they don't take what they know about themselves and apply the same principles to their pets. So these people that are into Weston a price and they're in, they're buying raw milk and doing all this really, really healthy, natural, wholesome food for themselves. I bet you a lot of those people are dumping kibble in their pet's bowl and maybe they don't know any different, maybe they just haven't had the right information. There just aren't that many people out there talking about it. So I agree, I'm hoping that getting in front of an audience like this and introducing these principles that we have to treat it's kind of the principles like we have to treat animals, species, appropriately, and I'm kind of incorporating like some farm animals too, because a lot of people there do have dairy cows and goats and things like that. But you have to let cows out on the pasture grazing and dogs and cats need to be eating meat and chickens need to be out there scratching and you know they need to be doing what nature intended them to be, to be doing in in order to be healthy and stop going to the vet. I'm literally going to kind of a you know, one like summary thing is yes, I'm a vet telling you don't take your animals to the vet unless they broke a leg or something like that. So that's kind of the premise. So I'm hoping you know it'll. It'll make a difference.
Speaker 2:I'd like to believe that I was asked for some good reason, cause you're damn good. That's why I don't know about that. I'm going to the AHVMA this weekend, this next weekend, coming up, and we'll see. We have an idea what holistic vets are up to these days. Last year it was just a bunch of us old fogies and that was a little frightening because we're only going to be doing this so long. We need some youngsters. But I did get an email from the AHVMA and they're um, sounds like they're trying to revive their student chapter, so they have a S A H VMA where they actually, um, it's a mentorship program for vet students, so I signed up. I'm like, yeah, I'd be happy to do that If I could talk to some of these kids in school and say, look, this is what's going to happen when you get out of school.
Speaker 1:Look at that. You know, look at that. That's what you've been wanting to do.
Speaker 2:That's what I've been wanting to do so, signed up for their mentor. They had this going on, but I think it kind of faded. And you know they need to have programs to bring these kids to the conference too. You know, as conferences get expensive, you know, and for if you're a student, you know by the time you pay for the conference and the hotel, and if you got to fly, you know you're several thousand dollars to go and and they need to help get these kids are getting sponsored and keep them excited and so, yeah, so that gave me some hope that maybe we can get get some new blood out there, thinking, thinking this way.
Speaker 1:Well, when you go, you, or before you go, ask Weston A Price if they're going to videotape your talk and if you can get a copy of it and if you're able to share any of that, because your people would love to hear that talk.
Speaker 2:I'll ask them, I'll send cause. I'm in communication with them. I'm always asking them all kinds of questions. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know. All right, everybody Listen. You can work with Dr Judy Jasek. I highly suggest that you get a second opinion on pancreatitis, on the elevated bun and creatin. Um, work with her before you make a dramatic decision to lower the protein or the fat in the real animal fat. There are some tweaks that we can make. They're going to keep your dog off pharmaceuticals and healthy for longer in life. Okay, so get over to a h a vetcom, a h a vetcom. Get your dog on a species appropriate diet. If you have questions, we'll be glad to answer them right here on the podcast. Just email us at info at raw dog food and company dot com, because here, raw dog food, your pet, your pet's health, is our business. See, now, I threw myself up because I was out of cadence, okay you're on autopilot.
Speaker 2:If you think about it like, what do I say?
Speaker 1:now, yeah, your pet's health is our business. And what dr jay said?
Speaker 2:friends, don't leave friends.
Speaker 1:Let friends be, kibble y'all, that's right all right, everybody, we'll see you next week. Bye-bye, oh snap. Find out how you can start your dog on the road to health and longevity. Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom, where friends don't let friends feed kibble and where your pet's health is our business.
