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The Raw Dog Food Truth
Pets with allergies, skin issues gut issues, and behavior issues can live better lives by eating a species-appropriate diet. Find out the dangers of kibble and cooked foods. Your Pet's Health Is Our Business "Friends Don't Let Friends Feed Kibble"
The Raw Dog Food Truth
What if your pet could live twice as long?
Raw feeding advocates Dr. Judy Jasek and DeDe Murcer Moffett expose how major pet food companies co-opt raw feeding terminology while selling cooked products, leaving pets undernourished despite clever marketing.
• Pet food companies like Farmer's Dog spend millions on marketing to make cooked food appear equivalent to raw
• Holistic veterinarians generally recommend fresh food diets, not kibble
• Over-reliance on testing leads to treating lab results rather than actual pets
• Abnormal liver and kidney values during illness often indicate normal detoxification, not disease
• Fasting and hydration are often better treatments for digestive upset than medications
• Pet owners have normalized shortened lifespans (8-9 years for dogs), when properly fed, pets should live into late teens
• Upcoming Weston A. Price Foundation conference features first-ever speaker on animal nutrition
• New weight loss drugs for pets represent another way to avoid addressing a poor diet
• Empowering pet owners to take control of their pets' health rather than relying on veterinarians for every issue
Visit rawdogfoodandcompany.com to learn how to start your dog on the road to health and longevity. For holistic veterinary care information, visit ahavet.com or follow Dr. Judy Jasek at JudyJasekDVM.substack.com.
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Speaker 2:Well, hello Raw Feeders. I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt, ceo of Raw Dog Food Company, where your pet's health is our business and we're friends. Like my friend, dr Judy Jasig, she don't let friends feed kibble, do you? No way?
Speaker 1:no, how, not even with a topper on it.
Speaker 2:Oh God, toppers, Bad word I just said a bad word. It's so crazy. It's so crazy. Do you know? We were working with a marketing company and they had the numbers for Fresh Pet, not Fresh Pet, I'm sorry, farmer's Dog and it's incredible how many millions, millions they spend on advertising, on, on, on seo, on words, and they've stolen our words and it's like but it's cooked. I know, I mean, I, I get it that maybe cooked is better than than raw, but but they're presenting it in the same way that you're presenting your food.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, they're presenting it in a way to make it appear to the consumer that it's equal, that it's the same thing and yeah, it's cooked. But you know, that's just a little. You know safety factor or whatever. I'm not sure I'm out marks or as I don't know how they present it, but I know that they present those foods just because I've seen other ads for things like roble, which is a rock kibble rock kibble.
Speaker 1:I have a rock kibble like it's just, that's like an oxymoron, it's impossible. So yeah, they play on the same words and they study this stuff. I mean, I, you know who is that guy. It was like um, it was Freud's, like nephew or something, I can't think of the guy's name, but he was one. He was like a psychologist and he started all this marketing and he and he studied the psychology of people and and one of the things was actually how to sell drugs to physicians was part of it how to get physicians on board and I'm sure veterinarians too, with selling drugs and how to get them on board and what words to use. It's like you said, it's just certain keywords and they, they have studied this psychology, they know exactly what to say and it's just, you know it's sick, it's all marketing and profit and it's just making pets sicker.
Speaker 1:And you know companies like yours has to try to, you know, outcompete these companies with all these. You know private equity for firms and billions of dollars behind them where they can do Superbowl ads and all this stuff and and it works because I tell you, it's so many people coming in eating things like farmer's dog, you know, because they see the ads. They got the ads out there and well, you know, I used to tell people. You know people ask me like what food? To feel like, whatever you do, don't feed anything that has an ad on TV. So you're not on TV, don't feed it, because they're putting all their money into advertising. And I think that's still true. But now you've got farmer's dog and but that goes to tell you too that people are looking for something different, cause if people pet parents were completely happy feeding kibble, they wouldn't be looking for something different. So they know there's something better they could do. They're just, you know, it's all the bill of goods on something that's not not really much better.
Speaker 2:So you're getting ready to go to the Holistic Veterinary Association conference. When you go find, can you find out what food do they recommend? Do the holistic veterinarian associate? Do they all recommend raw, or do some of them still do pills and that sort of thing?
Speaker 1:They don't. They don't recommend kibble. I would say I've not met a holistic vet there that would recommend kibble or the process or the like prescription diets. The vendors there you'll see like you never see Hills or Royal Canin as like a vendor Cause they haven't you know exhibit hall and all that but you'll see other, you know, raw foods Steve's, darwin's, those are pretty popular ones. I think solutions was there last year, um, so they're all fresh food feeding. Now the vets I've talked to some are not real big on raw, some will do, will recommend cooked.
Speaker 1:So in Chinese medicine, when you think and I've taken some online Chinese medicine courses and which I no longer agree with their recipes but there'll be like 20 to 30% starch and I think this must just come over from the human side because they do that. The heating, cooling, like the warm foods and the cool foods, and I mean I always encourage people, don't get stuck on that because they end up just balls. I can feed is, you know, my dog's inflamed, so all I can feed is rabbit and fish. Well, like 80% of the dogs out there are inflamed, you know, and then they're like they're kind of compromising balanced nutrition for this one principle, like you can't focus on just the one principle. But in Chinese medicine they add in a whole lot, whole lot more.
Speaker 1:I've taken, I took one of these courses online a number of years ago and it's only about the diets are only about like 40, maybe 50% meat and then it's veggie and starch and it must come over from the human side. You know, I mean, I, I don't know that's their principle. So some of the vets that are really into the Chinese medicine, acupuncture, they, they follow those principles. So you know everybody's at a different place, but I don't, I don't talk to anybody there that that you know will go the route of Hills or, um, really any kibble any of the prescription diets.
Speaker 2:And is it a big conference? I mean, how many vets do you think are there?
Speaker 1:I think it's in the like four to 500 range.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that's really out there, out the United States, right? Because you know people say to me all the time I have a hard time finding a true holistic vet, and I mean compared to the hundreds of thousands of vets that are out there, that's a small group.
Speaker 1:That's small. I mean, if you go to the AVMA, so the American Veterinary Medical Association, the like conventional one, I think they have, I don't know, seven or 8,000 vets probably. I mean it's just, it's giant, it's a ginormous conference, thousands and thousands of vets there. So yeah, it's still a minute. Population and holistic vets are all at different, you know, different stages. Some will fall back on conventional treatments quicker than others. You know some are more truly holistic. You know it's kind of all over the map.
Speaker 1:But I would say this at least when I talked to vets at that conference, people are at least open-minded. Like if I went to a conventional conference and tried to even mention raw food, they'd be like you know, you're killing your patients. Now if a vet says you know, I tend to recommend more cooked, at least have a reason for it and they'll at least have tried raw. You know it's not like they're closed to it. So I would have to say this population of veterinarians is at least open and they're open to learning new things and new ways of doing things. So that's cool.
Speaker 2:The energy at this conference is definitely different as compared to the more like conventional conferences, as compared to the more like conventional conferences, and do you think that this group of events actually do what your current Substack article is about, and that is to treat your pet, not the diagnosis? Yeah, not all of them. No.
Speaker 1:Because there's a big push for some of them, like this VDI lab I don't know, are you familiar with them? They're, they do a lot. They started out doing like nutritional testing. They were doing like vitamin D and they do this like cancer screen, where they're basically just testing for inflammatory markers, like it's CRP and thymidine kinase. So they would test for the CRP, which is C-reactive protein, and thymidine kinase and vitamin D. And then they had this algorithm they put together that assessed cancer risk based on that, but it's just basically evaluating inflammation Is your pet inflamed or not inflamed? So they started there. Now they're doing all of this nutrition testing and in my opinion, as I wrote in my last sub stack, I think that's are looking way too much at the testing and a lot of holistic bets, I think, are still looking way too much at the testing and it's a great income source make a lot of money doing blood work but I think they're relying on it too much.
Speaker 1:So, like this cancer testing. So one of the things they tout is so once a month, you get your patient in and you you do this cancer screening test and it evaluates your, your um, the progress of your treatment, how's your treatment doing based on inflammation. And I tried this for a while because I talked to them at this conference one time and started doing some of their testing and I didn't see it match up, because I had patients that like look like they were doing well, like did not seem like cancer was progressing and some of these inflammatory markers would be high and then sometimes the test would come back great, and then a few weeks later the cancer's back. So I was not seeing good correlation. And as time has gone on, because I'm always morphing how I practice I mean, that's just what we do as a practitioner, with practice, you know, you're learning as you go I just feel like you've got to look at the patient and don't get locked in to these tests, because then you know these companies that do all this testing.
Speaker 1:Most of them are also selling supplements. So they test and they sell supplements, and they test and they sell supplements, and then I think the vets just get away from this. Well, what's actually going on with the pet? How are they doing? You know what? If so, they got a low vitamin D. How about we add in a little extra fat? And because it's a fat soluble vitamin, maybe it needs vitamin D and maybe it's low in vitamin A too, but they're not testing for that one, you know. But they're only supplementing, you know, the the vitamin D, and so, yeah, I think they need to get. I mean everybody's at different levels.
Speaker 1:So you know I can't, you know I can't judge where people are at, but I I think for my patients, what I see is we got to move away from the testing and look at the patients more and how are they doing, and support them holistically and not get too locked into. Well, these are the lab results and because then you're just treating the lab results, you're treating those numbers on the paper, you're not treating the pet and what's based on the pet and the outcome of your treatment is based on how those numbers are changing, not on how the pet's doing. And I really think we need to move away from that Cause. I mean there's more and more, there's more testing now than there ever was. I mean there's so many new tests coming out all the time and pets are getting sicker. So I mean, like, what does that tell you? Change how we're looking at our, at our patients and and evaluate them and what is their body, you know, really telling us?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Cause you say in this article you said that normal ranges on lab tests are created from averages of blood samples taken from healthy pets. But what is a healthy pet? So what is a healthy pet, Dr Jasek?
Speaker 1:Right. What if they're doing normals from a beagle raised in a research colony? You know they've got certain like strains of dogs that are bred to do research. This is very sad, very tragic, but this does happen. It's not just an Anthony Fauci thing. It actually does happen where they have breeding lines that have certain genetics for doing research and generations of these dogs just kind of stay in the lab and they do research. So if they're going to test a bunch of those dogs, that's not the same. Those aren't the same normals as your dog out running around in the in the real life world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that is so true. What is a healthy pet? And then then you have to look at what these vets are then going to recommend. They're going to recommend a certain drug and substandard food.
Speaker 1:Right and even if it's and even if it's holistic. So I talk about this in my upcoming talk. I'm going to be doing it at Weston A Price in October. I talk about this like it's this mindset that like we don't think health is the natural state of the body, we have to help the body get there. It's more like we got to create it. We got to make this oh, vitamin D is low. Oh, dogs inflamed. Oh, this lab value is high. We've got to create health by giving them something. And it doesn't matter whether it's a pharmaceutical or bottle of supplements If you're, you know, if you're not supporting the body naturally and by supplements I mean like synthetics, not like herbs or mushrooms or you know natural things that can help support the body.
Speaker 1:I do things like that too. I'm talking about like artificial stuff that's supposed to be more natural. It's just not a pharmaceutical. You don't create health from a bottle. You have to support the body naturally and you have to start with nutrition right.
Speaker 1:If people would just get the nutritional foundation piece right and the lifestyle I mean. I think lifestyle is really important. You know, dogs are pack animals. They're not meant to sit home all day by themselves or sit in a crate eight, 10 hours a day. They're not going to be healthy individuals, right? And people wonder why their dogs are chewing up their house when they go. They're not meant to be alone, they're pack animals, so you have to understand what is their natural lifestyle and and there's all these other aspects to health. And we just got to get out of the mindset that health comes from a bottle. And again, not that like I use herbs, I do use things to help, but that needs to not be the, the emphasis. That's like making up for when they're already pretty screwed up because of bad diets and too many, I mean. Sometimes their bodies are so damaged from so many vaccines and poor diets and stuff that you have to give, you know, some support to help them heal.
Speaker 2:You know it's so crazy though, dr Jasek, I think that you know we we say that over and over again that these dogs are not healthy because they're on substandard food. Anything but raw is substandard, I'm sorry. Raw is the top of the food chain, brian, and I just did a podcast on why your dog is designed to eat meat, you know, and how they have this natural bacteria killer in their mouth and in their gut and short digestive tracks and everything else. So if you haven't heard that one, go back and listen to it. But raw food is at the top of the food chain. Okay, but back to my point.
Speaker 2:My point is this that I think that people agree with us. They will say, oh yeah, I agree, you know what you're saying substandard food and too many toxins. But if you really look at pet parents as a whole, they have just accepted the fact, and I don't even think they realize they have accepted the fact that dogs just die young. You know that a dog dies at eight or nine. You know that's a good life. No, that's not a good life.
Speaker 1:Or they just have allergies. Oh, they just got allergies. My dog has, that's just yeah, they've normalized sickness, chronic illness.
Speaker 2:It's been totally normalized that that's just when they die, because it's been so long since we've seen dogs live so long and I, I gotta tell you, I have some friends and, uh, you know, annette, uh in in um in colorado, and she is very holistic in what she feeds herself and what she feeds her dogs and very pure and real food, and her dogs live into their late teens, even up into their 20 years old, and and I've heard of many people and yet we just accept this oh, my dog, uh, you know, lives to eight or nine, and certainly cats guys, cats should be living well into their 20s.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, well, into their 20s, and I bet, if you really had a cat, that you kept all that crap out of their system and fed them a raw diet. I would wonder if a cat could live to 30,. Honestly.
Speaker 1:Oh, I wouldn't doubt it at all, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know you talk about in your Substack which would you give our listeners the Substack link again?
Speaker 1:JudyJasekDVMSubstackcom.
Speaker 2:J-A-S-E-K. Okay, got it. But one of the things that you say a very common example of over, you know, looking at lab tests and keep testing is just a dog that presents with vomiting and or diarrhea. Right, and certainly I would agree with this that most of the time these pets just need to fast and rest the gut and correct the hydration to promote healing. And one of the biggest problems is that where we get tripped up, dr Jaycee, because this just happened to us, is that we don't have the, the syringe and the, you know, hydration lactic ringers, the bags. We don't have this. We have to go to the vet and then you get caught in there. You get caught in there and they want to do all of these tests.
Speaker 2:When you know what we saw with Lazi is that because they wouldn't feed raw okay, because raw was just so horrible. She didn't eat for three days and she was had a lot of fluids, right, had tons of fluids, and what happened? She snapped out of it. Even after the liver enzymes or the electrolytes, all that kind of stuff, were abnormal, just like what you talk about in your sub stack, and you say this is not, you know, when there is digestive upsets, upset. Going on, the kidney values and the liver values are going to be abnormal. That doesn't necessarily mean they have chronic disease right, it's the organs.
Speaker 1:It's like it's the organs working. You know those organs have a job to do when the body's sick and it's part of the healing process. It just means, I think when they're in the quote, unquote normal range, those organs are very just, kind of quiescent. They're just quiet, they're not doing anything. But as soon as there's anything, any vomiting, diarrhea, anything going on in the digestive tract, those liver enzymes are going up right away because the liver's working. The liver is trying to detox. The liver is trying to help resolve what's going in the same with the kidneys. Those are your two main detoxification organs.
Speaker 1:So say, a dog gets into something. Dogs are scavengers. They get into stuff all the time. They get into the garbage, eat you know three day old chicken or whatever that's been sitting in there. Um, that their body's going to react to that. Their body just has to process it. So how does their body best process it? You let the body rest and you let it fast so that it's not working to digest, because when you fast it allows the digestive tract to just get all the crap out of there. It could just there might be diarrhea shooting out, but that's how it cleanses. And if you keep putting more stuff in, then you're making it continue to work to digest more food, but if you just let it push everything out, and even if it's coming out both ends, just give it a couple of days. Keep them hydrated. That's the key, though they do need the hydration, and sometimes they need supplemental fluids, and then usually in 48 to 72 hours, most cases, they'll be fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah it is worth a try. It is worth a try to do that than to shove a bunch of stuff into their body that just makes them worse. So again, this Substack is called Treat your Pet, not the Diagnosis. You can find that at judyjasekdvm, at substackcom. I figured out that all I had to do was look at the top. Dr Jasek can figure out. It's got the link there. So now I know it. Now I know it.
Speaker 1:Oh, life's about learning, DeeDee.
Speaker 2:I know it is we're always learning more stuff. Yeah, yeah. So you are going to be speaking at the Weston A Price Foundation in Salt Lake City, so I think that that is so incredible. I mean, can people come see you there? Oh yeah, they can. And do they just need to get tickets? Yeah, they just need to get tickets, or how does one?
Speaker 1:they just need to come see the conference. They can go to the it's Weston a it's Weston a price price foundationorg, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the uh Wesson, wesson a priceorg, weston priceorg.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they just go there and there'll be lots of information. It's it's October 18, 19, and 20.
Speaker 2:Yep, it's 17th through the 19th or 17th and 19th I was close. Yeah, um, I want to make sure you get there on time. Yeah, I'll check in with you before I go. Yeah, so this is so cool. So so that's another conference that you're going to be at and that is very exciting. Do you have an idea where you are in the lineup yet?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I'm on there. If you go to the conference and you go to speakers, I'm talking speaking on Saturday. It's Friday, Saturday, Sunday, so I'm speaking on Saturday afternoon. And lots of people that we've talked about are also there, speaking like Dr Cowan, dr Kaufman, sam and Mark Bailey are going to be there. Bigglesons are going to be there, are they Same?
Speaker 2:That is so wild. I, that is going to be very, very cool and um, you'll get to. You'll get to meet, uh, you'll get to meet, um, all those guys yeah, I'm looking at it right now sam and mark bailey. Uh, wow, maybe I need to go. When is it this? But it's this, it's coming up this october, yeah, just like month and a half away. Yeah, it is. I may not be able to get there.
Speaker 1:That may not work, but but what's really cool too is this is the first time they'd had a speaker that's talked about animal care. You know it's been. It's like they talk a lot about natural health and they're big promoters of eating healthy and raw food and and raw milk all that eating, a high fat diet and all this stuff for people. And this is the first time they've had a speaker that's really been just focused on animal health. So it's really exciting that they're kind of bringing that into the, bringing that into the conference.
Speaker 2:So yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:You know one of your, one of your people that you of making having more impact, talking to like the general population and kind of inspiring them to have a different attitude about pet care than trying to educate veterinarians, because veterinarians are so indoctrinated and I really think the way to make a difference is to change the demand. And my talk is actually going to be about quit calling the vet for every little thing and empowering people to take better care of their pets, because I think if people were more educated and had more confidence to take care of their pets and they're not running to the vet for every little thing, then they're not going to be scared into unnecessary medications. I'm not going to be scared about raw feeding, because they're going to be what looking at their pet will. Look at my pet, my dog's 15 years old and it's looking great. So why would I believe that I'm doing anything wrong? So that's kind of for the sake of the animals.
Speaker 1:I think what I'm going to be doing is empowering people to take more control of their pet's health and get out of this mindset that that a healthy pet, healthy animal, is created by the veterinarian Cause. That's what the veterinarian profession would like people to believe. Right, how do you keep your pet healthy? Take them to the vet every year. What do they do. They put them full of vaccines and then put them on these preventatives. And it's the same with livestock and farm animals too.
Speaker 2:You know Well so Dr Kaufman's going to talk about the death of the virus paradigm, and then you've got Samantha Bailey talking about the truth about Lyme disease, both of those very much in the pet world as well.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, absolutely, oh, absolutely. There'd be a lot of crossover. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what the opportunities would be to meet some of these folks, but that would be fun. Well, you just run up on the stage.
Speaker 2:Hi, I want to meet you, hi, how are you Nice to meet you, paige? Hi, I want to meet you, hi. How are you Nice to meet you? Well, surely that I mean you're one of them they're going to meet you.
Speaker 1:Well, you're going to meet them and I got a little like booth there too, like we can have a booth, so I'm just going to have some handouts and stuff, some educational stuff for people.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's so awesome. That is so awesome. I love that. One last thing I want to talk about before we go today is how do you feel about Ozempic for pets?
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yeah, let's just give them a weight loss drug because it's worked so well in people. I know if listeners are not familiar with Ozempic. It's been already touted as having a whole host of side effects in humans. And then I saw this thing about oh Zen pup, like they were talking about bringing it out for pets and it's a weight loss drug. So it's, it's a, it's a cop-out. I mean, it's like so on the human side, instead of teaching people how to eat well, you know, eat appropriately they say no, just keep eating at McDonald's, you know, five times a day. Here's just a drug that'll help keep you from keep you from gaining weight. And um, and now they're proposing the same thing for pets. So then people can just don't have to think about the diet. They can just keep feeding whatever. They're feeding their pets overweight. Oh, they just have an ozempic or an ozempic deficiency. That's why they're overweight. There's nothing to do with the diet.
Speaker 2:Well, here's the danger. I see besides a lot, but one of them is you know, when you talk about people, the humans that are on the ozempic right, and they just dogs don't have a desire to eat, right, but they know when they're getting too skinny and they force themselves to eat. Now, I don't think that you could do that to a dog.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I, I don't know. It seems like it'd be very hard to convince a dog that they don't want to eat, but I mean yeah, you can't force them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, you can't. You couldn't just force them to eat, you'd have to like back off on the, on the drug. But yeah, I mean, this is so unhealthy for them. I mean, anytime you're stopping a normal mechanism in the body, there's going to be other effects. It's going to affect other mechanisms and other processes in the body too. It's going to affect other mechanisms and other processes in the body too.
Speaker 1:So I know, in people, I think it sets them up for like diabetes and other chronic illnesses, which just gives the pharmaceutical company more, you know, more stuff to treat. But all they had to, all they have to do is get them on a healthy diet and their appetite will regulate. You know, the problem with the appetite is that there's the sugar spikes, because your sugar and your blood sugar goes up and then it crashes. Same thing with kibble. That's why cats get so hooked on kibble, because they get addicted to that blood sugar spike and people are like, well, I have to leave food in my bowl for my cat or it'll drive me crazy. Because, yeah, they want their sugar fix. But if you get them off of that and feed them a meat-based diet and then their blood sugar stays stable, do that for sometimes just a few days, and then they start feeling better. And then I hear that all the time this hunger urgency goes away and then they just maintain a healthy, healthy body weight.
Speaker 2:How are your cats doing, by the way?
Speaker 1:They're doing good. They're settling in. We see them out wandering around now hunting there.
Speaker 1:I think they were a little freaked out at first because I mean the poor things, you know, I gather them up, I put them in the carrier, they go for a three hour car ride and then they're in some completely strange place. They're like, where are we, you know? So it took a little bit. So for a while I'd go on evening walks. I'd go out in the evening and I'd walk and they'd kind of follow me and look around. And now I see them out, you know hunting and stuff and doing their cat thing. So they, they figured out, they got, you know, mice and birds and bugs and all that stuff to chase here too. Are you going to get chickens at this new place? I don't know yet. You know, like maybe. I mean, you know we got chickens originally. Well, because we wanted to have more of our own food when we were in our in colorado, like it.
Speaker 1:Just it was hard to find like natural, really natural, homegrown organic food. It's's all over the place here and like everybody, everybody and their grandma sells eggs. Oh yeah, you, can you go to the farmer's market. You'd be any, you know any farmer's market. You know half dozen people are selling eggs. I mean people. There's lots of sources of healthy food. I go to the farmer's market here in Cookville it's like 20 minutes away on Saturday morning and there's like three or four providers there that are just like all everything's organic and it's all locally grown. And in the farmer's market, like you have to be either in the county where Cookville is or in a surrounding neighboring county, like you can't ship in food or anything like that, so it's all just local stuff. There's just very easy to find organic food.
Speaker 1:So that was one of the reasons that you know I wanted chickens, cause I just wanted to know I was getting where my food was coming from. So I don't know, I mean right now we're just we moved in and we're busy this fall and this isn't the time of year to really get chickens because you're just gonna get into winter then. So kind of reevaluate in the spring. I enjoyed having them. I mean they were fun to have, for sure, um, but you know we're thinking about. You know what other things might I want to do with my business and so maybe just focusing on some of that stuff and, you know, figuring it out. But there's a. It is not hard to find local, even pasture raised. Lots of people have pasture raised eggs.
Speaker 2:So that's awesome. That's awesome. Well, you guys, you can work with Dr Judy Jacek. All you have to do is go to a h a vetcom a h a vetcom, remember, you could see and meet and listen to Dr Judy Jacek. Live in Salt Lake, in Salt Lake city, october yes, october 17th, and they cook lots of like healthy food.
Speaker 1:So Weston A Price is really into nutrition. The president, sally Fallon, has actually written cookbooks about. It's like nourishing traditions, it's like healthy eating and they actually have like, if you buy the conference ticket, the meals that they serve they're all like really healthy, locally grown food. So they really promote that. So I'm excited. I've never been to the conference, so I'm excited about just going to the conference.
Speaker 2:I bet that is going to be great. I wish I could be there. This October is probably not going to work for me, but maybe maybe it might. I don't know. I don't know. I would love to see all those those folks and certainly listen to you speak, and I know you're going to do a great job. Are you nervous?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you are and I know you're going to do a great job.
Speaker 1:Are you nervous? Yeah yeah, I've never done like a talk like this before actually, and I've done a lot you know podcasts and stuff like this but actually like standing in front of an audience, I mean like on stage bigger thing. I've done small groups and stuff like community education stuff, but this would probably be the biggest like live thing that I've done. So it'll be pushing me out of my comfort zone a little bit, but you know what that's a good thing it is you know I've, I've been in front of massively large groups, right.
Speaker 2:So back in my speaking career, um, certainly, singing for, you know, the NBA and the Yankees and all that kind of stuff, so tens of thousands of people, right, and it doesn't matter whether you've done it, you know a hundred times or this is your first time. You always get nervous. And what I found over the years of just you know, because first I started out, you know, in in musical theater, so I was always on stage and doing stuff like that. Then competitions, you know, in high school, then my speaking career, singing, you know all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:Anyway, what I figured out is that there's like a minute okay, so a full minute maybe where all of these nerves and your adrenaline is just firing, right, and it's in that first minute that you got to figure out what works for you to help dissipate that. Right, how do I? How do I? So? Movement will help, um, if you can start out saying something and and talk to your audience and get feedback and maybe tell a joke, uh, be funny, something like that, because it takes just that long for all of this adrenaline to come into your body. Somehow. You got to shake it out move, make sure you're moving and your mouth gets super dry. So throwing in some questions, you know, throw in those questions. I think that's always great to get that audience participation. But anyway, that's my two cents for it.
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