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The Raw Dog Food Truth
Pets with allergies, skin issues gut issues, and behavior issues can live better lives by eating a species-appropriate diet. Find out the dangers of kibble and cooked foods. Your Pet's Health Is Our Business "Friends Don't Let Friends Feed Kibble"
The Raw Dog Food Truth
Beyond Conventional Vet Care: Choosing Natural Alternatives for Your Pet's Wellbeing
Veterinarian Dr. Judy Jasek and DeDe Murcer-Moffetf expose the dangerous truth behind common pet pharmaceuticals and present natural alternatives that support rather than compromise your pet's health system.
• Conventional flea and tick preventatives like Seresto collars contain toxic chemicals causing serious side effects including seizures, liver damage, and respiratory disorders
• Heartworm medications including ProHeart 12 have FDA-acknowledged risks of anaphylactic shock, elevated liver enzymes, and even cancer
• Healthy pets on species-appropriate diets rarely attract parasites, making preventative poisons unnecessary for most animals
• Heartworm transmission requires specific temperature conditions (57+ degrees for 30 consecutive days), making risk seasonal and geographically limited
• Natural alternatives include essential oil sprays, garlic supplements, vinegar rinses, and herbal products like Amber Naturals' Clean Heart
• Vomiting and diarrhea are the body's natural detoxification mechanisms and often should be supported rather than suppressed
• Corporate veterinary practices often emphasize unnecessary testing and treatments due to profit-driven protocols and production bonuses
• Building a health team that includes holistic practitioners helps pet parents make informed decisions during emergencies
To learn more about transitioning your pet to a species-appropriate diet and natural health approaches, visit rawdogfoodandcompany.com or find Dr. Judy Jasek at ahavat.com.
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Oh, snap, snap. Well, hello Raw Feeders. I'm Deedee Mercer-Muffet, ceo of Raw Dog Food and Company. Can't get my shirt in the picture. Where your pet's health is our business. I know. I know I need my cup and we're friends. Don't let friends feed kibble like Dr Judy Jasek, how are you doing out there in Tennessee?
Speaker 2:Doing good a little steamy. You know gets doing good A little steamy. You know it gets nice and humid here this time of year, but you don't know what that feels like down there in Arizona.
Speaker 1:Man, I haven't been in a humid environment in so long. You know, I'm from Oklahoma and then I lived in Texas for 15 years, and so I I'm quite fine in humidity, you know, and I think skin looks better in humidity. Um, can you breathe better in humidity than a drier environment?
Speaker 2:I would think so, because the mucosal linings of the fit, you know, uh knows everything I, I like it because I run and when I go run, like on a cool, damp morning now, when it gets hot and humid, then it's just like you just sweat so much it's hard to exercise outside. But when it's cool and damp I think it's so much easier on the lungs because, compared to in Colorado, you go out on like a cold morning and that cold, dry air just like it just burns your lungs. So, um, I actually like it. You know it took some adjustment but now that I'm used to it, like I mean there's some days where it just feels really heavy, Like if it's rain, like today's little rainy, and it you can just really feel it. But I like it in my skin, Like I don't have to put lotion, Like I met. But I can tell if we have some low humidity days, cause all of a sudden my skin's dry, Like. Well, that reminds me of colorado dry skin, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I I kind of like and things grow, it's green and pretty and you know nice, nice, hey, um, I was gonna ask you a question, since you have the humidity, does that? Of course it does brings out more bugs, right, more bugs. And yet you never really worried about your pets having fleas or ticks or any of that stuff that people just freak out about. And of course, the advertising is on TV and you got the big, scary bugs and they're coming after your dog and all that kind of stuff. And I still bet that your clients, as my clients, do that. Well, I have to because I have the bugs. I have to because I have the bugs. I wish they would just put the word poison. I have to poison my pet because we have bugs, because if you were to add that word that is factual, I think it might wake your brain up and say now, what am I doing?
Speaker 2:That's what I say and people tell me that they're doing the Planting. And a lot of times I think what really gets me is when it's theoretical, like well, we have bugs in the area. Like, have you seen any bugs on your pets? Well, no, but we have them here, especially people here themselves. But we have them here, but you haven't seen any. No, you're poisoning your pet on that theory and I do use that word.
Speaker 2:I think some people just it just goes in one ear, not the other, because they don't want to hear it. They don't want to acknowledge that they're so freaked out about getting these bugs on their pets that they would rather they, they would rather poison them. And and the people, the clients I have, that don't do the poison and aren't worried about it, they don't have problems with the bugs. It's like it's a non-issue because when the pets are healthy, like we've talked about the bugs, like the inflamed stinky pets, the stinky skin and the yeasty ears and all that and those inflamed dogs and cats, but the people that keep their pets really healthy, they don't have an issue. They might do some essential oil sprays or, you know, check for ticks.
Speaker 2:I mean ticks are rampant here. I need ticks on myself all the time this time of year. We went for a hike yesterday. Come home in the shower I didn't ticks, you know. I mean it's just a fact of life here but now. So just I do the tick check every night. You know, usually start showering at night this time of year because I don't like the thought of crawling into bed with ticks. I just would rather not, not not, so I'll, you know I'll do that. Sometimes I'll find one that's been there for a couple of days. You know I'll have an itchy spot. They get in some rather inconvenient places sometimes I have Right.
Speaker 2:Right, and some of them will get really itchy, and so I just pluck them off and say, okay, bye-bye, tick, and I really don't worry about it. I just don't worry about it.
Speaker 1:So in the, the Seresto flea colors guys, there's two chemicals in there that I can't pronounce, but one is flumethrin and one is imidacloprid imidacloprid, let's just say it like that. I'm sure I'm not saying it correctly but specifically, these two chemicals, when they are used together, cause massive problems and this is something that people don't even understand, don't look at, don't have a clue about, right, how certain chemicals, when mixed together, cause major problems. Okay, but if you look at dogs that have died and pet parents that have filed lawsuits, right, there's, there's so many side effects, right, that they were seeing in their pets. But some of the side effects of these seresto flea collars are this dizziness and confusion. Dizziness and confusion, skin or eye irritation, okay, and I would imagine.
Speaker 2:Right there.
Speaker 1:It's right there on the collar and they don't take it off.
Speaker 1:It's on there all the time, right. And then they have thyroid damage, seizures, liver toxicity and other organ damage. They also have skin lesions, seizures, vomiting, nausea, that sort of thing. Also, you see higher bun levels, okay, and that's going to be in regards to the kidney and it's a toxicity guy. They can also have respiratory disorders, right, but let's blame that on COVID COVID in the dogs, okay, let's blame it on the bird flu. Let's don't blame any of the things that are going on with my dog on the thing that is poisonous.
Speaker 2:And a lot of people think I have people that will actually say well, I do the color because it's safer, because they don't have to ingest it, and they're not putting the topical on and it's probably being marketed this way too. I don't ever read the ads, but it wouldn't surprise me. So a lot of people think that it's safer than the other products, but clearly it's not.
Speaker 1:Right and then, and then we've got our friend the heartworm. You know, heartworm Um. And people will say, well, the FDA approved it. Okay, do you know that the FDA approved a pro heart 12, right, pro heart 12, which is a new heartworm preventative for dogs? And yet the adverse reactions of ProHart 12, of which the FDA approved? There's anaphylactic shock, seizures, elevated liver enzymes. Here they are again, um cardiovascular problems, lymphoscarmos, no lymphoscarcomas, sarcomas, so lymphate uh, what is cancer?
Speaker 1:yeah right right, cancer, come on guys, but the fda approved it, yeah. So when someone tells well, it's FDA approved, I Ooh, when, that's when. When I hear that, I'm like that's scary, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Definitely don't want it, then because I I don't trust the government.
Speaker 2:No, I do not trust that the government is looking out for any of us or our pets, but I've seen them approve so many things that are actually harmful. I think they're trying to poison us. So I I would definitely avoid anything that the FDA approves and that product. Now I don't know the exact ingredients. You know comparison, but there was a that same ProHarp product was out. It was still when I had my like probably 20 years ago. It got pulled off the market then because of side effects. So now they bring it back and you think it's safe. I mean, come on and never give anything that lasts a year in your dog's body because it makes them sick. You can't take it out Like. Never give anything that lasts for you know, months and months. I mean poison that wears off in a month is bad enough, but poison that lasts 12 months you can't take it out like it just makes no sense and does it make sense to say, okay, well, it's just poison for six months?
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta. I'll just poison my dog for six months instead of, or one month month. I just do the one month product, because then they're just being poisoned for one month.
Speaker 1:Now there was an FDA doctor who realized the dangers of ProHart 6. But guess what, dr Jasek, when he realized this, he was taken off the case and criminally prosecuted. So in 2008, pro Heart came back onto the market and they did a Pro Heart 6 relaunch and the manufacturer was Fort Dodge Animal Health. But then later it was bought by our friend Zoetis. And what did they do? Well, they decided they're going to put this dangerous drug back on the market. But, dr Jayzeek, we're going to work on a risk management action plan. A risk management action plan.
Speaker 2:Whatever that means.
Speaker 1:Well, here's what it means. It means restricting the drug to veterinarians trained and certified in its use and then requiring informed consent by the pet parents before treatment. They're going to add more safety and risk information to the product label that nobody ever reads, and so they're just going to tell people they're poisoning their pet?
Speaker 1:Yeah and um, so they're just going to tell people they're poisoning their pet, yeah, now they did say that they're going to eliminate some, some of the solvents that may have contributed to the adverse effects. But they say, when you look at the list of safety measures, there's only one item that changes the product and that is removing all of the solvents. Okay, so that's not really you know what happened. And then this is when they put ProHot 12 on the market. So, as we've talked about many, many times, if pet parents speak out and there's an issue, you can kind of see what happens.
Speaker 1:Well, first we're going to ignore it and next, if somebody within our organization, ie the FDA, comes in and says here's the problem, then we're going to Thank you, I had my coffee delivery. Thank you very much, um, then we're just going to change it up. We're going to put in some stuff that sounds like we're going to keep your pet safe, but we're just going to put it right back out there on the market. And I guess I would ask our pet parents that listen to us is if you are doing the collars, if you're doing any of that and your dog's having issues, have you gone in? And has there ever been a question that has come from your pet health professional that says these adverse effects that I was just talking about, or toxicity levels have gone up. Have they ever asked you about the collar? Have they ever even thought that maybe it could be a collar?
Speaker 2:And I even I would. I would venture to bet that if the pet parent went in and said you think it's the collar, they'd probably say nah, not even with the pro heart. You know the real tragedy. There is like you give that injection and the pet gets sick within a week. The vet might say, okay, there was a reaction. What are they going to do? Oh, they just give it some Benadryl or something. It'll calm down.
Speaker 2:If that pet gets sick three months down the road, there'll be zero correlation, even though it could be the pro heart, because now it's been poisoning the pet for three months. And if you ask the vet oh, do you think this is from that injection I had three months ago? They'd be oh, impossible, it's too far down the road. So the side effects then are not going to get recognized and the clinics make even more money because they're treating these sick pets and they're not even linking it. You know, and so many pet parents don't question. I mean you guys need to really question, question your vet If they say it wasn't because of that, like how do you know it wasn't?
Speaker 2:Can you prove to me that it wasn't because of that? Like, how do you know it wasn't. Can you prove to me that it wasn't because of that injection? Ask to see the potential side effects, see what's in that package insert, you know, and ask your vet if they've read it. And I mean the side effects are published, I mean they're there available for your vet to read. So I'd really start challenging them on that and be aware that things you might even vaccines anything could have been months before now your pet's sick. It could still be from those same products because they have effects that dysregulate the body and imbalance the body. So symptoms might not show up for months on down the road but it still could be due to those products.
Speaker 1:Right. So if you guys want to know some of the ones that are really, really dangerous I think we've talked about these before it's going to be the heart guards, the interceptors, the sentinel, the revolutions, the pro hearts, kind of all of them.
Speaker 2:You know, anything that kills is poison. It's killing because of poison. You know, we recommend natural products like the essential oil sprays, the garlic supplements, vinegar rinses, all that stuff. It's just repelling the bugs. It's not killing anything, because natural things don't kill them. People say, well, that doesn't work. Right, well, it's not killing them. But what's killing the bugs is also killing your pet, right?
Speaker 1:right, right, right. So what can we do? So, natural prevention, right? People want to know what can you do. Well, if you look at most any report that comes out, at least from the folks that are not beholden to the Zoetas of the world, the first thing they're going to say is feed a raw diet. You just talked about it. Why? Because of skin, right, blah, blah, blah. Feed a raw diet. Raw is not cooked, raw is raw. That means it's going to be in its frozen form and you're going to thaw it out and then you're going to feed it. Okay.
Speaker 1:But the other thing which Dr Jason can talk about all the time it says minimize vaccines, use natural remedies, use natural flea and tick prevention. Don't give her dog any type of water other than filtered or spring water. Okay, and and this is going to to help now, there's herbal heartworm protections out there. Have you ever used those that? What is that one called Dr Jasek, or do you? Just? What would you do? Would you just put garlic in their food? What would you do for let's? Let's look at that's more like flea tape. But what would you do for protection of heartworm, if anything?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I mean heartworms do exist, you know. I mean, like you, you can find them. You know it's an actual worm that grows around the blood vessels in the heart. I would say the only really severe cases I've seen have been stray dogs that like come into rescues out on the street. I remember seeing a lot of heartworm after the Katrina hurricane where dogs were picked up Louisiana, lots of mosquitoes, dogs that were not, you know, kept, kept healthy. So it does exist.
Speaker 2:And the thing with the heartworm larvae that is fed by the mosquito is you can't see it in there Like you can see if your dog got a flea or tick. You kind of know how big of an issue it is for your dog. You can't see these heartworm larvae. Now I feel quite strongly that the dog is kept healthy. They're on a good diet, strong immune system. If they get one of these larvae they're going to eliminate it. I mean that's what the body does.
Speaker 2:But for people that are concerned so that we're not moving into the more toxic products, there is a product it's a company called Amber Naturals and they have a HWF product called Clean Heart just has some natural anti parasitics. I just tell people just during the mosquito season too, because you don't have to do anything year round. I mean, I think there's some parts of Florida that might have some mosquitoes year round. I actually have a fair number of Florida clients, but most everywhere the mosquitoes are going to go away and you only have to give this stuff when the mosquito season is really high and the temperatures are staying warm. That's. The other thing that vets never tell you is that the mosquito needs to be at a temperature of 57 degrees or above for 30 consecutive days for the larvae to survive and to infect your dog. So, like in Colorado, you go up in the mountains and the mosquitoes could be horrific. I mean, we've camped by some lakes up in the mountains. Good Lord they carry you away, but the nights are getting into the 40s so there's no heartworms. You have to be aware of the temperature and also this whole once a month thing. That's all invented by these companies that sell this stuff so they can sell you the little get the little stickers you put on the calendar, because it takes those worms. For that larvae to develop into a worm takes like four or five months. So you could easily treat even if you're using the herbal like every other month. So you give them a couple doses during the summertime if you've got lots of mosquitoes and you know if people are worried about it, that's what I say.
Speaker 2:But honestly, I think if you keep your dog healthy strong immune system, really good raw diet, good rotation, all the stuff we talk about I think you don't have to worry about it. I've never seen a symptomatic dog with heartworm. Now I've seen them test positive. However, I question the testing because that's you know, a whole other issue. But and we've talked about that that we can't rely on the test. But I mean, I have seen a few dogs are actually in heart failure and they do an ultrasound and they got all these worms in there. It's gross, but those are dogs that have, you know, off the street, really unhealthy dogs. To begin with, I've never seen a healthy dog get a symptomatic case of heartburn. So I think the chances are really really low if you take good care of your dog. But I also like to keep people out of fear, because fear is not a good energy and your dogs will pick up on that. So, um, so I try to give people healthy alternatives, but I don't worry about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know they. Uh, there's this herbalist, greg Tilford and Mary Wolf, and they recommend giving echinacea If you're going into high risk areas. That is going to support your dog's immune system. So they said you can give most dogs like 12 to 25 drops three times a day for three days before and three days after your outing, so for a total. I don't know if you would actually give it to him on the outing, but you could I guess. But there's three days before you go and then three days after you get back.
Speaker 1:Super easy to to put that in your dog's mouth. Right, I, I, if I'm going to do something like that, I, there's this you know area right here. Okay, yeah, there's a pocket right there where the tongue kind of comes out, the side of lousy's mouth and I just can squirt it in there. Now, make sure that. So, so that little you know glass tincture is going to get, excuse me, in the dog's mouth. You know what I do, dr joseph I just spray that with hydrogen peroxide, let it sit on there for a second and then I rinse it off. What do you think Do I need?
Speaker 1:to do that with that little tincture piece.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if it actually touches the mouth, it's not a bad idea to rinse it, either wipe it, or you could even run a like just drop a little plain water or your peroxide, drop a little peroxide in, shoot it out, just in case any saliva got in there. Or you can kind of open up the lips and just drop it in without touching the mouth. But if they touch it, yeah, probably rinsing it it's a good idea.
Speaker 2:You know, one of the original uses for echinacea was a snake bite and I never had to test this, thankfully. But I went to an herbalist of like, a or like it was like a first aid herbalism class once many years ago and she said that if and so I would always carry this hiking in Colorado cause some of the lower elevations, you will run into rattlesnakes. And um, they say she said that if you like, if a dog gets snake bit or you get snake but you take a few drops like every 10 minutes, you get to give it really, really frequently and it will help stop that reaction Cause when you get that venom in. I mean you still want to probably take your dog in. You know to be checked, but the danger is in the swelling and the tissue death. You know to be checked, but the danger is in the swelling and the tissue death. You know cause it get really swollen If it gets, if it's around their face or their neck or anything.
Speaker 2:They can get so swollen that it can make it hard for them to breathe. And the echinacea given really frequently she said give it every 10, few drops every 10 minutes actually will keep it from swelling. It helps calm down the reaction. So I thought that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, you know there are snakes here more so out in the mountainous area right when it's actually not there's. You know, it's all desert out that way, which would totally freak me out if I get bit by snake yeah, we got poisonous.
Speaker 2:We got poisonous snakes here and I've never had a snake encounter, but they say they live like under wood piles and something. There's a couple water snakes too. There's a lot of water here out of rivers and stuff. So yeah, they're here. You gotta be careful. Keep your echinacea on hand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, there's a.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of of remedies I think that we can use.
Speaker 1:I think what, um, what is so wild to me is that there are so many things the kibbles, the collars let's just take those two that can cause the bun to increase, right, and I did experience this right with Lazi, and they're just like, oh my gosh, they're in kidney or liver failure, right, and, and you know, if you walk out of a vet's office with a wrong diagnosis, I'm not saying that the bun's not up or these enzymes are not elevated, but does that mean that you need to have this very harsh medication given to the dogs from that point forward, given to the dogs from that point forward, because your dogs in kidney or you know, let's call it is, you know well, kidney or liver failure, right, this can be a real problem, guys.
Speaker 1:That that's just a snapshot in time, and we certainly see that with a lot of dogs. I certainly saw that with with Lazi. The other thing is what, what is always going to be very apparent is that the, the standard veterinary office, and what you see, dr Jasek or someone that is more on the holistic side, is that their levels that they're afraid of are not levels that you're afraid of, right, you're like that's not. That's not liver or kidney failure.
Speaker 2:Right, right. And if it's related to an acute incident, like it was with Lossie. So the bun, the blood urea nitrogen, so that's the urea level in the blood. The kidneys clear. Urea is a protein breakdown. Kidneys clear that if the kidneys are traumatized or stressed, like say a dog, gets into some toxin. I mean dogs, you know, pick up stuff, you know you still don't know what happened with Lossie, but something inflamed your kidneys so they're not working optimally. So it makes sense those values are going to go up. But yeah, there's a certain point where you know I see, like the BUN for example, if I see it go over a hundred, I'm alarmed. A dog like Lazi and dogs, dogs, when they're having GI distress, I mean you got to think about that. Their body's trying hard to get rid of something like that sudden onset vomiting like Lazi had. Their bodies are trying to get rid of something. There's been some insult and anytime you get that widespread intestinal inflammation, the kidney values liver values.
Speaker 2:Especially, I've seen liver enzymes go really high. When we've got like, especially if there's vomiting and diarrhea, they're kind of blowing it out both ends those liver enzymes will go way high. And now the conventional vets these days well, we got a liver failure, like the liver failures causing the GI stuff. So now we got to do liver biopsies and all this stuff. And if you just calm down the gut and then recheck them, they go back to normal. And that's what happened with, you know, with Lazi, with her kidney something's inflaming the body. And so my approach is you know and ignore those lab tests, but treat the obvious. You know, keep her hydrated, let the gut stuff calm down, and then we check and see where you're at. A lot of times, within just a few days, those values will come down and then if they don't, okay, then maybe do some more testing.
Speaker 2:But they push the panic button right away and they want you to. I mean, they wanted to cut her open, like like that. Just that makes no sense. They're all right, she's already debilitated. Now you're going to put her through a major surgery and they would have wanted to take samples of all of her organs. I think they're just they're killing dogs, doing all the all the drugs and all the testing and all, and they have to sedate them for everything. They won't do an x-ray or an ultrasound or anything without, without giving them drugs. It's, it's, it's pretty horrific. I mean I've started, I mean you knew better than to do all of that stuff. But seeing some dogs with bad outcomes at the ER, that you know, I just feel, with different types of care, it might not have turned out so bad.
Speaker 1:So if you have a dog that's only vomiting they're not, you know, they don't have bad diarrhea, they have no diarrhea Does that tell you something different than if a dog has, you know, stuff coming out both ends?
Speaker 2:Yeah, to me if it's coming out both ends, it's more like a generalized detox. I mean, I think they're really something has has gotten down like into the lower intestines and they're trying to get rid of it. With the vomiting that tells me like something got in the stomach that she's trying to get rid of. I mean, what is vomiting and diarrhea? It's a detox mechanism in the body. What is vomiting and diarrhea? It's a detox mechanism in the body. That's really the reason why I mean, why else would you, would a dog, get rid of its stomach contents outside of perhaps a female dog? You know they do regurgitate for their, for their pups, but that's a little different. But in general there there's no beneficial reason for vomiting except to get rid of something that we don't want in there. And the same with the. With the diarrhea they're trying to to kick something out. There's some inflammation. So I guess in my mind, vomiting and diarrhea together much more severe. Something's gotten down into the intestines and caused some problems in the severe. Something's gotten down into the intestines and caused some problems in the, in the intestines as well as in the stomach.
Speaker 2:Now the other thing I well it you. They can sometimes get obstructions too. I mean that's a possibility. But again the cause is the same. A dog um swells a toy or socks or panties or stuff. They have a blockage. Now that's more serious because that requires surgery, but the reason is still the same. They're trying to get it out. They keep vomiting and vomiting and vomiting because there's this thing in there that's blocking their intestines. Now if they're truly blocked, then you know you do have to do surgery.
Speaker 2:So it is important to rule out something like threading, but most cases of vomiting they just need to be rehydrated and you know give the gut, a little rest and things will calm down.
Speaker 1:I know it's too bad that we can't have a home remedy to rehydrate dogs, ie the lactic ringers, right, so the bags of fluid. But they guard that stuff, dr Jasek, like it's a lethal weapon, right? Because, look, it does require that you take the needle, you pull the skin up in the back of the neck and the nape of the neck and you stick it in. So it's subcutaneous fluid. I guess there could be instances where it's dangerous, but in my opinion I would rather let a dog vomit, vomit, vomit now to get it out, but then you got to rehydrate it to get it out, but then you got to rehydrate it.
Speaker 1:And my question is at what point do you stop the vomiting? Right, because you take them in. They're going to put them on serenia and they're going to put them on the anti-nausea stuff. What is your thought about that, about they're going to stop that vomiting? Obviously the body's trying to get it out. Is there a point where it's sort of like are you at home, are you in the vet? Right? But if you're in the vet's office and you're on fluids, should you be given an anti-nausea medication to the dog or just let them continue to do what the body knows how to do?
Speaker 2:I mean I think first off they're vomiting a lot, like I usually tell people if the dog's vomiting multiple times an hour then you should get them in and get checked for a blockage. I mean you need to rule out something life-threatening. Blockages are life-threatening, so you need to rule that out. If they have ruled that out and the dog's still vomiting multiple times an hour, I don't like the pharmaceutical drugs. Now sometimes if you're into the clinic you're not going to have a choice. But that's really stressful for the dog to keep vomiting multiple times an hour. My first choice would be a homeopathic like Nuxvamica or something to just help. It's kind of working with the body system. So you're not just shutting down the process, you're.
Speaker 2:You're just kind of calming it down, but you're supporting, you know, the digestive process if you can't like get that into your dog or they're insisting on doing it and dogs vomiting multiple times an hour, you know probably a dose just because they're getting all that stomach acid in their esophagus and and all that. But usually that doesn't usually happen. If you rule out, you're like bloat, that I mean, that's the other thing. But that's effectively a blockage where you have a torsion in the stomach and some kind of foreign body or a tumor that's blocking the intestines. They're usually and you rehydrate them and and just hold them off of anything orally because sometimes they might want to drink water but then that can cause them to vomit. So you can hold them off of water and give them the supplemental fluids. The vomiting almost always calm down.
Speaker 2:So I try to avoid the pharmaceuticals and a lot of vets I mean not the big corporates like where you were, but the um you know you can find a private clinic. A lot of them will dispense the fluids. I used to do it, um. So you can, you can and and they are. I mean you can go on chewy. I mean you know it does require a prescription. So you know your, your vet would have to authorize a prescription but you can go on like chewycom and get them the lactic the bags of fluid.
Speaker 2:Wow, I did not know this that would have been good to know, because we do know how to do it I mean with, with lonsi, I mean it's going to take several days to get it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you didn't. You didn't have, you didn't have time for that. But just in general like to have some on hand. You know somebody wanted to have some on hand and your vet would sign up on the prescription. You can get them.
Speaker 1:Okay, good to know, because I would like to keep some, just in the event that it, you know, happens again. Some people are really it takes two people to do it, unless you just have one of the bag holders. But you know it takes and and one of the things that the VCA because they were not going to let me have one. To come to actual travel right To Amanda's. So I'm leaving one vet and I'm going to our daughter's in Moe. It's a seven hour drive. They're not going to let me have one, too dangerous. But they were like you can over hydrate a dog and kill them. Okay, well, we can do all sorts of things untrained and and that doesn't benefit our dogs. But I wanted to ask you about that how and it would depend on the size of a dog, right? How much would it take to actually overhydrate with a subcutane, his fluid? It would it would.
Speaker 2:It would take a lot. I mean, it's with IV administration, you could do it easier, but it would take a lot. And my rule of thumb it's it's let's see 10 mls. 10 mls per pound of dog. So, like we, we do this a lot in cats. So, like your average, say, 10 pound cat, because cats tend to get kidney issues when they get older. A lot of older kitties are getting these fluids. So, like an average 10 pound cat will get 100 ml. So a dog like what is Bozzie, like 70 pounds or 65?.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 65.
Speaker 1:So she could easily have.
Speaker 2:you know she could have had 700 mLs easily and for you could figure like a big dog anything 50 pounds or above. Just give them a half a liter, half of one of those bags could make a big difference. It would be really hard. You probably have to triple that subcutaneously to overhydrate them because it's it's not going right into the bloodstream. You know if you put it right into the bloodstream you can't overhydrate them, but if you subcutaneously and it's pretty if they're a little dehydrated, their body needs the fluid anyway you'd have to probably give three or four times that to over. So it's not likely at all. It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 2:And know how much, 10 miles per pound, Just remember that. And you know a hundred, a hundred of miles, a hundred of miles per 10 pounds of body weight and there's absolutely no way you could over over hydrate they. You know these clinics and, listening to your story with Lazi, they're so like demeaning, Like they just like, like they treat you like you don't have even a smidgen of an active brain cell in your head, you know, I mean it's, it's just really pathetic how they treat people.
Speaker 1:Do they know what I think about them? Do they know? You know I should say this. Look, they helped Lossie by giving her fluids, right, but I want to tell you, dr Jacek, she was so bruised up on her legs and she had a huge hematoma here in her chest. And how does that happen From very inexperienced or non-caring vets?
Speaker 1:Lazi is not a dog that squirms around, she doesn't do that, and that horrified me, horrified me. So, on one hand, she got the fluids that she needed because I didn't have access to it, okay, but they ran umpteen million tests, right, all of them negative, right, and I wasn't worried about any of the stuff that they were running tests for. Now you want to run some blood work and let's look at. You know what is the bun and what is the all that kind of stuff. The other thing you know that they don't even take into consideration is that the bun on a raw fed dog is going to be different than a kibble. But that was very, very disturbing as we got Lossie down to our daughters and the wrappings and stuff came off and they were like what in the world?
Speaker 2:Right, what in the world? So they had some inexperienced people, because, hey, a German shepherd vein, even though they're a little dehydrated, it should be pretty easy. They're big veins, I mean, if you're hitting a vein on a dehydrated cat.
Speaker 2:You know that's tricky, but hitting a vein on a German shepherd, that's well-behaved, even if she's a bit dehydrated, yeah, should not be a problem. And you know, I think it's important for pet parents to remember too. Like if, if your pet is, say, doing something like this, and you go in and you and you have them rule out anything life-threatening, so do the imaging I, I recommend an ultrasound because you can tell a lot more on ultrasound, because you ended up doing an ultrasound anyway. Right, if they don't have an ultrasound available, then yeah, you would do an x-ray, but get the ultrasound because you're going to know a lot more from an ultrasound than you will from an x-ray. If there's no blockage and there's nothing life-threatening, then you say I just want my pet stabilized for 24 hours, no more testing. I mean maybe some basic blood work, do the fluids, and you just stabilize them. And then you see, because they do, they just want to this test and that test, and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars. They run up these huge bills by scaring people into thinking that all these tests are necessary and they're not. The most important thing is just get them stable, get them hydrated, rule out anything life-threatening. Yeah, you could do some basic blood work. I think in most cases you could even wait 24 hours to do that basic blood work, because just the dehydration is going to make those kidney values go up. So you could say, okay, you can do blood work, but let's rehydrate for 24 hours and then do blood work and then see where you're at, and a lot of times the pets will be.
Speaker 2:I've seen so many of these GI cases where they couldn't stay hydrated on their own and even when I had, just you know, my regular onsite clinic, we weren't in ER or anything, but I just bring them in for half a day, four or five hours, put them on the IVs. They'd go bouncing out of there like no tomorrow, ready to go home and eat dinner, because they just needed to be rehydrated. They couldn't heal while they were dehydrated. And that's I don't. I didn't even do blood work on a lot of those cases. I just rehydrated them.
Speaker 2:And if they were, if they didn't respond, then that's different. But they push, they are so profit driven and I have no doubt anymore that these giant corporations like mars, I bet they own the labs not only in the vet clinics and the food companies, but I bet they own the labs. Not only the vet clinics and the food companies, but I bet they own the labs too. So they're making money running, you know, all of these lab tests, and the vets are being bonused on production, so the vets are making money by recommending all this stuff too. It's really a racket.
Speaker 1:I can't believe they don't split all that up. Right that that it's not a law, right that you can't have the the you know the wolf guarding the hen house. I mean it. To me that really needs to be split up and I don't know. I mean, no veterinarian is going to like what I'm going to say, but I don't think they should be a bonus like that. I think it should be a salary level type issue, because if not, you have unnecessary test, right, and then you get somebody who's worked in a corporate clinic. Now they're going to open up their clinic and they're going to just repeat it and you can see it.
Speaker 1:Once you understand it and you have to go into the vet, you see what's going to happen. You see that all these tests to the tune of $8,000, dr Jasek, who has $8,000? Who has $5,000? A lot of people are like I'm not going to feed raw because it's going to cost me $200 a month. I'm like haveossie's a raw fed dog, right, she's really a clean dog. Accidents happen, things happen, but it is a racket and it's so, so incredibly frightening to me and I just don't think that pet parents see it until they're in this type of situation. But I guarantee you that the thought is well, I had to have my dog tested and I had to be $10,000 in debt or they would have died.
Speaker 1:And the question is, would they? Because what did those tests show me, dr Jasek? They didn't show me, jack. And what did she really need? There wasn't one pharmaceutical that she got right. They wanted to do a steroid, they wanted to do this, they wanted to do that. We said no, no, no, no, no, yeah, it's, it's, it's a, it's a tough situation. So I think that you gotta get, you gotta get your mind right and you have to have a team right, and I say this all the time. I think that's why it's incredibly important to have someone like Dr Jacek on your team, because in those stressful situations, you got to bounce things off. Someone else, somebody who has seen this type of situation and knows the protocol of the body right. What does the body need? You know, is vomiting or diarrhea, you know, like what you were just saying. So I think it's incredibly important that you have these people on your team, because if you don't, you could give, you could be subjected to giving your dog medications that is going to make them worse, period bar none.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and if you can find non-corporate clinics. I mean, I think the problem is the corporatized medicine. It's the problem on the human side as well. Unfortunately it's becoming so ubiquitous that it's hard to find, like especially the emergency clinics. They're almost all corporate now because they make a lot of money selling this stuff. But if you can find a local vet that you resonate with that is not a corporate clinic, that you're going to be much better off. I mean, they might still be trying to do the cell and all that, but they're not doing it from corporate mandates, right? Because those vets are told I mean, they're given protocols, this condition comes in, this is how, this is your treatment protocol, and if they don't do that, you know they could lose them. They are bonus done production.
Speaker 2:that's a very common business model in veterinary medicine because I remember having my clinic and you'd go to, like you know, practice management seminars and all this stuff. And and it was always kind of a debate because it's like, well, if you pay, you know your employed veterinarians that way, are they going to sell unnecessary services to your clients or will it cause competition? You know between between the vets, but it's a very popular, you know between between the vets, but is very popular, very popular model. And I I don't agree with that. I my philosophy, as when I had employed veterinarians, is I would rather be bonusing them on other aspects of client care, not on the money. You know they're paid a fair salary and then if I'm going to bonus them or any of my employees, it's on their customer service. How well did they take care of the pets? You know their ethics, the things, the principles that are important to me. But if they're getting bonused on pure production, of course they're going to sell.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, Well, get Dr Jasek on your team. You can find her at ahavetcom. Ahavetcom, We'll get the information out to you guys about our presentation to the Make America Healthy Again group. They're out of Colorado. Check around to see if there's a chapter where you are. They're springing up. Make America Healthy Again. That's another support group, right, I would look at that as another kind of a support group that you could get into that you could talk to people I'm not saying that everybody in the. I don't know everything that they're doing, but I do know that they're looking at how do we change?
Speaker 2:this we change. They're much more like minded and they see that, you know, health is not about just going to the doctor, that we need to take responsibility for our health and for the animal's health. And the Colorado group is all virtual too, and they welcome people from any state, so you can always, you know, tune into their, to their meetings state so you can always, you know, tune into their, to their meetings.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so we're going to be presenting for pets. That's going to be very fun. We'll be doing that here shortly, so we'll get you guys the link. But check it out. Go to make America healthy again Colorado chapter and see if if that works for you.
Speaker 1:Okay, get over to ahavetcom, work with Dr Jacey's group and also get your dog on a species-appropriate diet. You want a clean diet we got it. You want things that don't have chemicals we got it. You don't want the cakes and cookies we got it. Okay, this is the highest level, right? So you could do yep, you could still do the unkibble. You can do the fresh pet, you can do the Stella and Chewy's. But if you want the very best right, you want the very best, the cleanest food you got to get over to raw dog food and companycom. Brian is standing by to help you pick the perfect blend and I would just say they're all perfect. Okay, just start. But if you would like more specific information, brain is going to help you. Just get over to rawdogfoodandcompanycom, where your pet's health is our business. And what Dr Jasek.
Speaker 2:Friends. Don't let friends feed kibble or unkibble y'all.
Speaker 1:That's right, okay, you soon, everybody bye-bye, oh snap. Find out how you can start your dog on the road to health and longevity. Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom, where friends don't let friends feed kibble and where your pet's health is our business.
