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The Raw Dog Food Truth
Pets with allergies, skin issues gut issues, and behavior issues can live better lives by eating a species-appropriate diet. Find out the dangers of kibble and cooked foods. Your Pet's Health Is Our Business "Friends Don't Let Friends Feed Kibble"
The Raw Dog Food Truth
Your Cat's Vomiting Is Telling You Something About Their Food
What happens when a vet student feeds their snake a species-appropriate diet but gives their cat kibble? "I'm not sure, but that's what I do" is the unsettling answer that encapsulates everything wrong with conventional veterinary education today.
DeDe Murcer Moffett and Dr. Judy Jasek, DVM dive deep into the world of feline nutrition, examining why cats are suffering from preventable digestive issues when the solution is staring us right in the face. Through the case of Onyx, a two-year-old cat with chronic regurgitation, they demonstrate how veterinarians often recommend expensive diagnostic testing and prescription diets instead of addressing the fundamental problem – cats simply aren't designed to eat processed kibble.
The conversation explores Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO) and how conventional medications, surgeries, and carbohydrate-heavy diets disrupt the delicate digestive balance of obligate carnivores. Dr. Jasik shares practical advice for transitioning kibble-addicted cats to species-appropriate raw diets, acknowledging the challenges while offering solutions that work. She explains why cats on processed foods become "borderline diabetics," stuck on a blood sugar roller coaster that makes transitioning difficult but necessary.
Perhaps most profoundly, the discussion touches on Rudolf Steiner's perspective that all animal diseases ultimately stem from human intervention – a sobering reminder that our pets' health problems often begin with the environments and diets we create for them. For anyone struggling with a cat's digestive issues or simply wanting to provide optimal nutrition, this episode offers both the scientific rationale and practical steps to make meaningful changes.
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Oh snap. Well, hello Raw Feeders. I'm Deedee Merson Moffitt, ceo of Raw Dog Feeding Company, where your pet's health is our business and we're friends, like my friend Dr Judy Jasik. Man, she didn't let friends feed kibble, now do ya no?
Speaker 2:way Enemies and not anybody Frenemies. I don't let anybody feed it.
Speaker 1:What is a frenemy? Why did that term come about? Is it a person that you thought was your friend that became your enemy? Is it what?
Speaker 2:is it. Maybe sometimes they're your friend, sometimes your enemy depending on the day.
Speaker 1:There it is frenemies. I was like what is that Like a bipolar personality, right Like somebody like what you said, some days they like you and some days they don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Right, I don't know, makes sense to me. I don't know what else the word would mean Frenemies.
Speaker 1:Don't let frenemies feed kibble, that's right.
Speaker 2:Then we're covered. Don't feed the stuff.
Speaker 1:Right, it's so bad. And we're going to talk about cats and, uh, their gut health when they're on kibble. Uh, we really need the kitties to get. I know that we're a dog food company, but we just didn't have a long enough name. You know, dog and cat. Listen to this. This is just funny.
Speaker 1:Brian sent me this. He said this is an actual conversation, dr Jason, with a vet student at a UC Davis vet conference. Now, brian wasn't having this conversation, this was, somebody else posted this. Okay, but they said this is an actual conversation with a vet student. And so this person says do you have any pets? And the vet student says yes. And this other person says well, what do you feed them? And she said well, my snake gets mice and my cat gets kibble. And so this other person says so your snake gets a species appropriate diet, but your cat does not. And the vet's answer is is so profound I was just shocked by this profoundness. And she says, in answer to your cat doesn't need an appropriate species appropriate that she says well, I'm not sure, but that's what I do. I'm not sure, but that's what I do. Wow, yeah, I'm not sure. Well, look, rest assured that kibble is not species appropriate.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 2:Not for anything actually, lordy, lordy, speaking of kibble, have you ever seen the movie secondhand lions? They go to town to get food for the lion and guess what they get? There's bags of lion chow. Wait a second, that's a lion chow like perina dog chow, perina cat chow. They have these big bags of lion chow. Is this for for for sure? I don't. I don't know if they, I don't think they actually make it, but that was just in the movie. But I just thought that was funny because you know, there's there's dog chow and cat chow and I think there's horse chow. I mean, I think preen makes all these different chows and all these different processed foods for all the different species and you, you know, according to the movie anyway, they actually make a lion chow, I think actually the lions, like in zoos.
Speaker 2:I think they actually get a species appropriate diet, which is also really interesting, because why do the wild felines like the lions and tigers in the zoo? I really don't think they're feeding a big bowl of Karina lion chow. I think they're feeding them, you know, fresh meat. Yeah, that's what they're getting. So why do our kitties domestic kitties lose?
Speaker 1:out Because this vet says so. This vet says well, I'm not certain, but I know that you need to feed heels and science diet.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm being taught.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm being taught in vet school. That's right. That's what someone told me somewhere some time ago and I just keep perpetuating the story and I don't know why all these kitties are coming in sick. Yeah, I couldn't tell you, it's good, it's business. You know, and here's the thing, dr Jasek, I don't even know that they consciously think, well, this is good for business. They just don't think, just like this vet. I'm not sure, I don't know, I just does it.
Speaker 2:It's just, it's autopilot, and I think that's what education does these days is. It does not encourage thinking critically thinking. It's like just do what you're told, be a good little vet student and follow a standard of care, and we'll give you this piece of paper that says you can practice and don't rock the boat and you'll do fine, You'll make a lot of money and you won't get in trouble. That's pretty much the state of things. Just don't think.
Speaker 1:Okay, I just have to laugh because one of the big conglomerates and their tagline is science did that? Maybe Blue Buffalo? I can't remember which one it was. I was just like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Well, what else have we been told? To follow the science, and it didn't work out so well.
Speaker 1:We'll see. This is the problem. Yes, yes, yeah. Science, you know, I think, needs a bit clearer definition of what exactly science is.
Speaker 1:This nutritionist, right, was talking to this person in our family who's dealing with cancer and she said and you know, I just have to keep my mouth shut. Sometimes you can do that, not really well. She said this. She said now you know food safety. And I thought, oh boy, here we go, oh geez, food safety. And I thought, oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 1:She was like you can't eat any raw foods, you know, make sure it's all cooked. You know, no sushi, no raw foods, no, everything's got to be. You know, no pink, this and that. And I thought, oh my, if she knew that we were raw dog food feeders. And she kept talking about this bacteria. Right, we can't, you know, because we can't let this bacteria get, you know, into your body, because you're compromised, because you're going through chemo, right, right. And so I did stop her right there and I I bet you that the person that was with me was wanting to kick me, right, they were like please don't cause a scene. But I just said can you tell me what bacteria are we talking about? Big three that they're always talking about in the raw diet listeria, salmonella and e col coli.
Speaker 2:E coli, yep yep, couldn't have guessed that.
Speaker 1:But you know, dr Jason, we've had a lot of customers you have. I have ask us if they have been diagnosed with cancer and they're going through any kind of therapy. Can they continue to feed their dog a raw diet? You and I are going to say yes, but I'm sitting there listening to these doctors and these nutritionists say oh, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, no, they'll say it. And the other thing that you know people will say in that, in that circumstance that I've heard is that you know, like, don't let your dog lick your face and stuff. This is another big fear people be like okay, I've got there's a person in my household that's immunocompromised for whatever reason, and I'm feeding my dog raw and you know that raw food can get in their beard or something or get around their mouth and then they go and they they lick my dog's face. That's why, like a lot of service agencies that you know train dogs to be service dogs to go into hospitals and facilities and stuff, they will not let you in if you're feeding raw, because you're going to be spreading these horrible bacteria to the patients, some of which might be immunocompromised. It's like it stays on their mouth.
Speaker 2:I've had people ask me how do I clean my dog's beard after they eat? I'm like, why are you cleaning their beard? Because now that food you know it was like it was kind of baffled Like what do you? Why are you cleaning the beard? Oh, because all that food gets stuck there and then all that bacteria is there a little snack later.
Speaker 1:I don't know like, right, and you know that information of them testing, right, the bacteria load in a raw dog food's mouth versus a kibble fed dog, uh, and that whole study somehow just kind of like gone, you know, and what they found was that there were more so-called dangerous bacteria in the kibble fed dogs, right, than there were the raw fed dogs. And you've got all of that kibble that stays in their teeth. Their teeth go bad, you know, and then they don't have a healthy mouth. That's one Number two, kibble fed dogs. It comes out in their skin, they have that dander, they stink and they, you know, you talk about a dog that doesn't look or feel clean or even smell clean. That's kibble fed dogs. They're going into the hospitals. But all of that changed, right, the real study, all of that changed when Perina decided to give, you know, a big grant to this, the therapy dog organization.
Speaker 2:So there wasn't a doge.
Speaker 1:Back then there wasn't a doge you go, wasn't a doge. You could figure up where we're, you know putting the money, but anyway, um. So you know, this is something that we have to deal with on a consistent basis and I just don't, um, I don't know, I don't know it's very, I see, I don't know, I don't know it's very, I see, I see, because of how much time I've had to spend in the hospitals, I see where that narrative is so strong and scares people to death. And yet Christine Massey can't get any proof of it, right?
Speaker 2:But they don't. They ignore that data, that data that says that none of this has ever been proven. Viruses have never been proven to exist. There's been nothing proven that these supposedly bad bacteria cause disease. They just choose to ignore that data and just believe the popular narrative because that's easier and they get to keep their jobs and you know, just go go along to get along. That's what a lot of people do, sadly, and in the human medical profession and in the veterinary profession I'm gonna have to ask chat gpt how do you pull people's heads out of their sphincter?
Speaker 2:to let me know what the answer to that one is.
Speaker 1:Listen, how does one pop the head out of the big sphincter? Okay, don't know. Oh boy, we get in trouble for saying stuff like that. But you know what? I don't care, it's fine Sometimes you just need to laugh a little. Sometimes you need a little humor break. I'm laughing. I'm laughing Are you laughing? I'm laughing. So let's talk about, let's talk, let's continue on with bacteria, shall we Sure?
Speaker 2:I love bacteria. Bacteria are my friends.
Speaker 1:Right, germs are me or something like that. There was a me, or something like that there was a shirt or something germs are dreams are us?
Speaker 1:yeah, germs are us, right and um, all right, so here's a, here's a question for you. So you deal with kitty cats, and um, there's a sweet nurse and she has a cat. This cat is not very old, dr Jasek, two years old, asymptomatic, pretty much Okay, except for one thing, and that is he vomits, or she vomits, I'm not sure. I think it's he Not sure. Anyway, onyx, I believe his name is, and he regurgitates food. Okay, so should we, or should we not investigate what kind of food you feed?
Speaker 1:That'd be a good place to start, but you know what the vets have suggested that she put her kitty cat on is our favorite hydrolyzed protein.
Speaker 2:Right, and all you get carnivore on plant-based protein that's so broken down that there's hardly even any protein left there. That makes sense, right right.
Speaker 1:But you know what, maybe the vet is a friend of this vet's, the one who said I don't know, I don't know why, you know, the snake gets species appropriate, but my cat doesn't. I just do it, I just does it?
Speaker 2:Because the snake vets say feed a species appropriate diet. The cat vets say feed a species appropriate diet. The cat vets say feed hydrolyzed protein. They go to different parts of the vet school, that's right.
Speaker 1:The snake school or the cat school, all right. So, um, you have taken a look at onyx's blood work, um, and you've taken a look at his labs. Frankly, it it sounds like to us that we just first and foremost need to switch the food and then see what happens. But let's talk a little bit about the blood work. What did you see? Anything that alarmed you?
Speaker 2:I mean, I think it probably a diet change wouldn't fix but the major organ functions were really good.
Speaker 2:Liver enzymes were all normal, kidney function was normal. Thyroid function looked good. White blood cells were low, which isn't necessarily a problem. But you know that could indicate or that could be because of poor nutrition. You know that. You know the bone marrow maybe isn't kicking out enough enough white blood cells. Of course that will keep the vets from getting on board with raw feeding, because I'll say well cat has low white blood cells, so therefore you shouldn't feed raw because of the bacteria, even though feeding the raw might help that problem. So that was just a little bit of an issue, probably something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 2:I think the one interesting thing was that the b vitamins were really high, the b12 and the folate um and the only thing I can think of for that is there's just a lot of it in the food they're feeding because they put artificial vitamins and minerals in these foods and because b vitamins are not toxic, like if a pet gets more than they need, they just pee it out. There's a water soluble vitamins, your fat soluble vitamins like vitamin D. You got to be careful not to overdose them. I think there's been some cases of that in some dry food diets, but B vitamins. They can just put tons and tons of them in there, and so that my and and and their their nervous system boosters.
Speaker 2:So they give them lots of energy, so they can feed them this really crappy diet it doesn't have very good nutrition, and then they feel good so they can have energy and stuff. So, um, I just thought that was kind of an interesting, um interesting finding. But, um, you know, nothing else really showed up in the kitty's blood work.
Speaker 1:You know, I did see in there where the vets were suggesting that it could be SIBO.
Speaker 2:Small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.
Speaker 1:You know, obviously that's going to be a gastrointestinal issue as well, right, and you're going to have some food sensitivities, some food intolerances. Um, there's a lot that goes with it. They say, these dogs that are actually have SIBO and cats are very, very ill. What do you see? What do you think about SIBO? Um, have you seen cats where they look like they have this type of an issue and and you just remove the offending foods and it clears up? What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2:Well, I actually myself was diagnosed with SIBO many years ago. I had intestinal issues and what I was told was that it was a it's a motility issue, meaning you're not supposed to have a lot of bacteria growing in your small intestine. They're supposed to be down in your large intestine, your colon. The small intestine should be relatively free of bacteria and part of like what happens like overnight or in between meals, there's this contraction of your small intestine that kind of cleans all the stuff out and any bacteria that's in there goes down into the colon. And if it's not moving well, if you have a motility issue, then the bacteria will stay in there. And then they're they sort of like. I think they like ferment the food, sort of. For testing it, it was kind of interesting. You do like this, this breath test, where you just do like breathe into this tube and the bacteria supposedly let off a gas, and then it, and then it it tests for this gas. Now I went to a like a functional medicine doctor and they didn't. They'd not use antibiotics, use a whole bunch of different herbs and stuff, and I will tell you I felt a whole lot better. And then there's a special diet. There's certain diets, like you've got to get off of, like carbs and stuff. There's certain things that will supposedly feed the bacteria and you kind of learn. I mean like I know, like there's some things I eat and then I just don't feel that. I feel kind of like bloaty afterwards and I mean I don't know if it's truly feeding the bacteria or if I mean, honestly, I think the more I learn about this is having a healthy diet so that your intestines are supported nutritionally. But then also stress, because stress will shut down your gut. So if you're stressed you're tense, like I know. If I'm like upset about something or rushing around to get a million things to do and I eat like I'll get a tummy ache, well, because your intestines aren't working, because you're in this fight or flight, you know running around doing stuff and your body thinks you're running from the you know tiger, when all you're really doing is running errands, but body doesn't know the difference. So you know you're, you know you're tensed up, I think in pets and honestly I haven't seen this diagnosed very much.
Speaker 2:I've heard, I've seen, a few cases come in with a diagnosis of sebo and I don't actually know exactly how they're testing for this in pets. I kind of doubt that they're getting the kitties to blow into the little tube. I want to see that. Just saying, I think vets are probably guessing because they do a lot of presumptive diagnosing. These are the symptoms. Fits this diagnosis. And I swear medicine is just going like down this like AI path where they just like, okay, these are the they're probably putting. This does play computer algorithms. These are the symptoms, these are the potential diagnoses. Okay, these are the three. It could be IBD, ibs, sibo, sibo. That's diagnosed that one a long time, let's call it SIBO In this kitty. You know, I mean I I hate to say it, but I think that's the direction that a lot of medicine is going. And then they pick that diagnosis and then like okay, what are the treatments?
Speaker 2:But the treatments in conventional veterinary medicine are never changing the diet, which is really what needs to be done, because the bottom line is any of this GI stuff, it's inflammation.
Speaker 2:All disease is really inflammation.
Speaker 2:It's just the body is inflamed, it's not working right. And what's the? How do we help that? We've got to feed them right, we got to give the gut what it's meant to be, what's meant to be put in there, and cats are obligate carnivores so it needs to be a meat based diet. So if you're putting a plant based diet that's dehydrated, so it's dry in there, it's like the worst thing. And it just makes sense to me that, just in the case of SIBO, that you've got plant material in there that the cat body doesn't know how to digest so you probably are going to get bacteria, you know, starting to work on it, and then if it doesn't empty appropriately, if you don't have that good motility, it's going to sit in there and start to ferment. But but the fix is just feed them the right diet. For all of it, conventional medicine, they tend to put them on steroids and or antibiotics to antibiotics, probably to kill the bacteria if they diagnose SIBO, but for all the other inflammatory stuff they just use steroids like what you said.
Speaker 1:What causes SIBO? And and there are a lot of things that can cause it. And the body has many positive mechanisms to prevent SIBO from occurring, like stomach acid secretion, right, biosecretion, something called MMC, which is migrating motor complex. So that's the waves of that small intestinal wall that moves that waste and bacteria through that digestive tract and to the colon. You've also got your immune system and then there's a valve. It's a one-way valve that allows the flow of contents into the large intestine but prevents it from reflexing back into the small intestine. And so in order to get SIBO you have to have one or more of these protective mechanisms fail. They have to fail in the body.
Speaker 1:And so what causes damage to the MMC, that migrating motor complex? You know it can be surgical drugs or sedations, that ketamine is used in a cocktail for pre-meds sedation, or even dentals or nail clippings or ear cleanings. That can really damage this migrating motor complex. And I again, I don't think that pet parents look at their animals. If somebody of authority or in the um health profession gives this surgical drug or sedation, they don't look at that and think that could be something damaging to the body, right?
Speaker 2:right, but but it can't I don't think about the, the effects of that. You know they have to. They'd have to ask or look up the, the, the, the package insert. I was listening to a podcast this morning and this is like on the human side, but they were talking about these black box warnings, this and a lot of human drugs they have to buy. So if a drug has a reported side effect that could be life-threatening there they have to put these like black box warnings on it so that they're right there on the label. Like this is the stuff that could potentially happen. Like why they're even using these medications.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but like people aren't even aware that like things like antidepressant drugs can cause an increase in suicide. People can become suicidal on them. People are not informed of these effects and the point of the podcast was you've got to ask if you're being prescribed a drug. Your kids are being prescribed a drug. Find out what's on that label, and it's the same, I think, for pets. They have to ask your vet and you can even look this stuff up online. You get the name of the drug. You could look up ketamine and you could look up. You know what are the potential adverse adverse effects. But a lot of them like you wouldn't think about.
Speaker 2:But like any anesthetic drug, any sedative, is going to slow down the gut. It's going to affect the normal gut because it's it's. It's slowing down the central nervous system and anesthetic drug has to. That's how it makes you like in unconscious. Ketamine is actually like a they call it a dissociative where where it's it doesn't suppress, like your respiration as much, but it makes your, it can cause kind of like hallucinations. It makes your your nervous system a little wonky. It was actually there was a time there where people were breaking into vet clinics and getting it. It was sold like on the street as a street drug because it could make you hallucinate and stuff when you, when you took it.
Speaker 2:So something like that's going to have all kinds of effects on the body and it's different for every person or every animal. That's the thing. One animal might be really sensitive to the effects of a certain drug, another one might not bother them at all. So and drug interactions so if a pet has surgery, you don't, and then they get four or five different medications. So they're going to get the anesthetic, they're going to get some pain meds, they might get some antibiotics, they're going to get some painkillers.
Speaker 2:You got like at least four drugs that are interacting together. Nobody studies how these drugs interact together, so there's all sorts of possibilities. Boatload of vaccines in the first two years of life, so you know that's entering into it too. So I think I think any pharmaceuticals play a really huge role and it just kind of well. My vet said that it was safe, so I went ahead and did it and they just don't connect the dots that now this gut problem could be related to some drugs, maybe even, of course, the antibiotics the cat had six months ago and and and the one that you and I dislike the most, um, the acid reflux medications.
Speaker 1:where it actually decreases the gastric acidity, right, those medications pain relie, pain relievers, opioids, tramadol. Also, altering the structural composition of an animal, anatomical changes result in bacterial clearance being blocked right and so adhesions like spay or neuters or abdominal surgeries spay, I guess, neuters or abdominal surgeries Spay, I guess, would be the bigger one. But any kind of obstruction can cause that Once the function of the body is altered and bacteria are not being killed off in the stomach or the small intestine as they should be. Now you feed a diet high in sugar and refined carbohydrates, processed foods, you know all of this different type of stuff and you create a problem. And you said something you've been listening to. Who did you say you've been listening to? That said, all animal disease are created by humans.
Speaker 2:Oh, I've been reading some of Rudolf Steiner's work. So Rudolf Steiner started the principle of anthroposophic medicine, which is basically holistic medicine mind, body, spirit. But he actually has written and I'm actually reading an article now by a veterinarian that studied Steiner's work, so he's quoting steiner, um, and but he, steiner, gets into the energetics of disease that it's not just we can't. We don't just treat the physical, we have to treat the our energetic bodies as well. But he says that all animal diseases come from humans, the energetics of the humans. In their field there's like a kind of a disruption in the vital force of the animal that they get out of balance and then that's why disease shows up. But that was pretty profound. He said all animal diseases are, you know, come from humans.
Speaker 1:I bet our pet parents aren't going to be very happy hearing that this one might make us unpopular, didi, I feel, for our pet parents, because the diagnostic testing, dr Drasik, is so expensive yeah Right, so expensive. I think she was saying that they want to run more tests to kind of determine what's happening Now. I and so I said, well, determine what's happening now? I and so I said, well, what are the other symptoms? That's it just this regurgitation of the food at the moment? Right, and I said I I really do, uh, want to encourage you to change the food to a species appropriate, okay, species. That means the, the food they were created to eat, okay species. Appropriate dietcies-appropriate diet.
Speaker 2:Mice are species-appropriate. For cats too, by the way, not just snakes.
Speaker 1:That's right, that's right, and just let them get their birds and their mice and their snakes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, actually cats could eat snakes too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they can, anyway. So there are some tasks that you could do, but again, but you know what, why not just try changing the diet.
Speaker 2:Like right, you got to feed the cat anyway, Right, why not just feed a diet? And you know I'm not a huge fan of canned food either, because a lot of it is just like kibble, but it's got more moisture in it. Sometimes just that added moisture will help, though. I mean, if she just didn't want to try the raw, trying a canned food sometimes helps, and that would at least show her that it's the diet and then maybe then she'd be willing to go one step further and actually try the raw. Like why spend all this money on tests when it could just be the diet and just, I mean, you got to feed it anyway. Just try the diet change, Try it for a month and see what you notice. If it doesn't help, then you know you can go drain your savings account on the testing if you want to.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean. I'll prescribe steroids and hydrolyzed protein diet and said yeah, anyway, you know, over vaccination, dry processed food, medications, surgeries, um are stomach tacking is another one that I think really can mess up the digestion.
Speaker 2:You know a lot of dogs get that done, you know, just to preventat, which we know is a kibble disease. If dogs are eating a raw food diet and healthy digestion, they're very. It'd be highly unlikely that they would get a bloat or where their stomach toruses. But a lot of them they go in for a spay or a neuter and they say, oh, let's just tack the stomach while you're in here. I think that really disrupts normal GI function. It's not meant to be tied to the wall, it's meant to be floating around in there.
Speaker 1:Great, I would get a second opinion with Dr Jasek and let her take a look at blood work, get some more information. You know, a lot of times when we answer, you know things here on the podcast we don't have the entire picture and so we want to let you guys know that we're just. You know, you have to ask a lot of questions, right, you have to ask a lot of questions and figure out what's going on. But, again, we are always going to be big proponents of first things. First, change the diet to be species appropriate for the animal that's in front of you. You either have a wolf or you have a mountain lion one of the two and I've yet to see them cooking their food out in the wild or, um, you know, going after my dog's kibble.
Speaker 2:they're actually going after the dog or nibbling on the corn cobs out in the cornfield or eating the you know the wheat, wheat plants and stuff right, right and look cats, cats.
Speaker 1:Dr joseph, what's been your experience with um your clients switching cats over from kitty crack, as we call it, to um raw diets? By what's been your experience?
Speaker 2:well they can. They can be a bit resistant. I mean, they do better Once they're on the raw. They can be a bit resistant. But I think a big part of the problem is people need to stop the kibble and you can't give little kibble snacks because they're waiting. Like you said, it's like kitty crack. They get addicted to that sugar and they want that kibble. Now they might drive you crazy for a couple of days because they're going to be wanting that sugar fix. But if you keep giving them these little kibble snacks and you keep spiking the blood sugar with that, because people get upset if their cat doesn't eat, so I always recommend you put that raw food down to give them 15, 20 minutes. They don't need it. You pick it up and you don't feed them until the next meal. But people get concerned about that and the cat's driving them crazy because they want that little. You know that fix of the kibble food but you gotta, you know, not give it to them and let them get good and hungry. Most people feed their kitties kibble and they just leave the bowl out, so they're just used to nibbling all day. They get a sugar fix, sugar drops, they get another sugar fix and they're just on this blood sugar roller coaster so they don't feel very good coming off of that. But if you don't completely stop the kibble, you don't have good luck getting them on to raw. So you just need to do that, they're fine.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of information out there that cats can't go too long without eating. Those are cats that are eating kibble because all that sugar gives them fatty liver and they get liver disease if they go too long without eating because they're borderline diabetics, right Essentially, from all the kibble. They're borderline diabetics, right, essentially, from all the kibble. Cats that are on a meat-based diet are fine. You know to fast, but your cat isn't going to go more than a day or so without eating. If you're really strict, you just put the food down. They figure it out like I guess that's all I'm getting, so I guess I, I guess I better eat it, you know. So you just, you just have to be really strict with them. And what if?
Speaker 1:you built a little cat cage and you just release some mice in there and they would instinctually know I'm gonna kill that little guy. I'm gonna have you for dinner, you would hope so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you'd hope so, unless there's some level of domestication where they're just like uh, my kibble doesn't run around like that, I don't know what to do with something like that. That runs.
Speaker 1:That'd be interesting, wouldn't it? It'd be, it'd be very interesting. I mean, you, would you know, um, and I, I? I can hear pita calling me now saying that I'm killing the mice.
Speaker 2:They're murdering mice.
Speaker 1:They're murdering mice, but people buy them for their snakes and stuff like that all the time and you know they're clean, right, they're not going to be full of rat poisoning or something like that. Yeah, it's amazing to watch that, right? So if you are in a city where you don't have the ability to watch a mountain lion take down a deer like we do in Colorado, it's amazing, guys. Nature is amazing, right, and some people will say, well, my cat doesn't eat beef because they can't take down, you know, beef. I'm like, well, they could if they were larger. They're just a mini version of, you know, the big cats, but that doesn't mean they can't eat beef.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly. There's the same physiology, Just a smaller version. Just like a chihuahua is a smaller version of a Great Dane. They can still eat the same physiology, just a smaller version.
Speaker 1:just like a chihuahua is a smaller version of a great dane, they can still eat the same stuff your little cat's teeth look just like those big cat's teeth when they do that big yawn thing that they do and you look at. You know the the lions and stuff they look just like that on a small scale we have.
Speaker 2:We have two outdoor cats and I've not seen them bring a squirrel up. Actually I take that back. I think I did once. They mostly catch bunnies, but they'll be good size bunnies but they don't eat the butts and they start at the head and they just chomp all the way down and we'll have like a bunny butt left out on our deck or something.
Speaker 1:Those are sphincters. They're little sphincters. They don't want a sphincter.
Speaker 2:They don't, you know.
Speaker 1:I think I talked about this one time on the podcast where there was some investigation because a restaurant you couldn't tell whether it was calamari or a sphincter Because they were boiled had the same consistency, right, had the same color. Is it calamari or is it who's?
Speaker 2:eating. So wait question who's eating the sphincters to know that it's the same consistency as the calamari?
Speaker 1:who determined that? Look, I'm pretty sure that the sphincter is a delicacy somewhere right Eat everything right Right, go to waste, right. So next time you're eating your calamari, I'm just, I've never had a sphincter, but I am going to say that that, according to this podcast that I've listened to, your calamari is very much like a sphincter, and I'm talking about the one you sit on. Okay, that somebody be like I'm never eating calamari again.
Speaker 2:I get it.
Speaker 1:All right everybody. Hey, listen, you could work with Dr Jasek. She's at a h a vetcom, a h a vetcom, A-H-A vetcom. She has a. You call it a sub stack. Right, you have a sub stack. I do have a sub stack Yep.
Speaker 2:And we're on Facebook. I'm putting a few more things out there on Facebook. I've done a little. You know a couple of little videos and stuff like that, but it's a sub stack. Is JudyJacekDVMsubstackcom.
Speaker 1:Okay, is judy jasic dbmsubstackcom okay, and jasic j-a-s-e k?
Speaker 1:okay, j-a-s-e-k? Um. All right, and get over to rawdogfoodandcompanycom. Listen, brian is there to help you, help your pet. Okay, all you got to do is sign up and, uh, if you don't have time to go through a full consultation, or you don't even want one, just go to our chat. Ask him Brian, what should I feed my kitty who is vomiting? Hydrolyzed protein or kitty crack? He's going to tell you pretty quick, because you don't want to be Dr Jasek, you don't want to be this person who doesn't know why they do what they do. They just do it.
Speaker 2:And that person is going to be a future veterinarian that you pet parents are going to be going in to see. So just know what you're going to be up against out there. So you better be educated yourself, because clearly that may not be too highly trained in nutrition, which we already know they're not, that's right, that's right, that's right.
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Speaker 2:And what, dr jc friends, don't let friends feed, kibble y'all, that's right we'll see you speak everybody, bye, bye, oh snap.
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