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Challenging the Veterinary Status Quo: From Bird Flu Propaganda to Prostate Health in Dogs
DeDe and Dr. Judy Jasek challenge the fear-based messaging around avian flu and its supposed risks to raw feeding, comparing it to past scares like dilated cardiomyopathy that ultimately proved unfounded.
• Bird flu hysteria creates unnecessary fear, with Robert Kennedy Jr. noting you can't get it from food
• Joe Salatin's approach focuses on management rather than vaccines, keeping healthy birds and eliminating sick ones
• Raw food companies face unfair damage from recalls while kibble companies escape scrutiny even after pet deaths
• Dr. Jasek explains prostate issues in dogs, noting they're more common in intact older males
• Prostate enlargement often indicates broader imbalances that can be addressed through proper diet and reduced toxin exposure
• Double standard exists where vets get titer tests for rabies immunity while requiring repeated vaccinations for pets
• Legal changes could allow dogs with proven antibody levels to be exempt from continuous rabies vaccination
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Oh snaps. Well, hello Raw Feeders. I'm Deedee Mercer-Moffitt, ceo of Raw Dog Food Company. We are Pets Health yes, even raw is our business, and we're friends, like my friend Dr Judy Jasik. Well, she doesn't feed kibble and she doesn't scare people about the avian freaking flu. I'm so tired of hearing about it, dr Jasik.
Speaker 2:I know People keep wanting, People keep cooking their raw. I said what for? I'm not worried about it. They ask if I'm worried about it. I say no, I'm not worried about it.
Speaker 1:You know what I remember I mean I think we've said this on every podcast the dilated cardiomyopathy thing, right, and there was no change in people's minds about, oh, my goodness, my dog has this dilated cardiomyopathy because I've been feeding them raw and they don't have grains in their food and they just believed that they just ran with it, which caused Keto Pet to bring the lawsuit, bring the lawsuit, um, and I, I just um, I don't get it. I was listening to, uh, robert kennedy jr on hannity the other night and you know, he, he, he basically said look, you're not going to get it from food, you know. And he also said stop vaccine, don't vaccinate the chickens. You don't want to be vaccinating chickens, it's going to cause a problem. He said and stop killing them. We need to figure out why the ones survive and why the ones don't, right, but no, they're just going in and killing them and doing all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:Now I kind of felt like he was walking the line. He didn't want to be hated right off the bat, but anyway, he's got to be a politician a little bit. He's, well, he's, yeah. What is? What is joe salatin saying on this bird flu bs?
Speaker 2:he he says so. He's not in the like, necessarily viruses don't exist, camp, but he thinks that it's a lot of it is a lot of fear, propaganda and that he says all along, like, regardless of what condition you're dealing with chickens, any livestock, any like food production animals they get sick because of the management, not because of the viruses. So he has always contended no matter what you're dealing with, whether it's a virus, bacteria, parasite, it can all be corrected through proper management. And that's what he's done and that's why I have always had such respect for him, because if something would happen in his animals, it wasn't like what drug do I need to use, what vaccine do I need to use. He's always taking the approach of what do I need to do differently? What am I doing wrong here that my animals are got, have gotten sick? And he didn't. Didn't have that bills. He doesn't. You know he doesn't call the vet. I mean sometimes you have to call animals that get sick or injured, you know I mean that's part of raising production production animals.
Speaker 2:But his take is that if you have birds getting sick, you eliminate those. The ones that are strong and healthy, you let them live because they're the ones that are going to be. If there is something out there causing a problem, they're going to be immune to it. Those are the most robust individuals. And if it's something that's like, and if it's something that's like, you know, in the that the chickens are transmitting, you know, back and forth, how does it end up in the food? How does it magically end up in the meat?
Speaker 2:You know, I was taught in vet school I mean that was one of the big principles. We were taught that viruses do not typically cross species lines. Now they're saying that bird flu can jump to cows, can jump to cats, can jump to people, you know. So it just creates a whole lot more fear. But from a management perspective, you don't go get rid of all the healthy birds. You want to keep those and keep breeding those and just get rid of the sick ones, and that's what makes sense from a management perspective. But I believe of course there's another agenda here is having a negative impact on the food supply and harming the small producers, because it wipes out. A small farmer with like I mean, a small chicken farmer might have 5,000 birds or something that that small compared to hundreds of thousands of birds, but you go and take out their whole flock that's that's hard for them to come back from that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's still so much scary propaganda going on out there. And listen. You guys want to cook your raw food? Be our guest, go right ahead, cook it. You guys want to cook your raw food? Be our guest, go right ahead, cook it.
Speaker 1:I can't tell you how many people, um, love the farmer's dog and I say this on every podcast and they're like, yeah, my dog has utis, yeah, my dog is fat. I'm like, but they don't have the bird flu. That's kind of what they think and I'm like, okay, I don't know, I don't know, but I think that, again what you and I were talking about prior to the podcast, you can damage people's reputation so easily. People's reputation so easily can damage the raw feeders or the raw producers so easily by issuing a recall and then saying, oops, sorry, we were wrong, right. Because the oops, sorry, I'm wrong doesn't get out into the public, right, but what gets out into the public is oh, there's a recall, right, because we get asked that all the time have you guys had a recall?
Speaker 1:Has any of your food ever been recalled? Yeah, remember years ago. And you start figuring the game out. It's crazy what the game is, and yet you can have dead dogs in the kibble industry. Lots of dead dogs and they don't make a big deal out of it. Hell, they won't even recall it.
Speaker 2:They're not creating fear. Fear is such a powerful emotion that as soon as the media creates fear around a topic, it doesn't go away. Yeah, there's been so many, so many more recalls in the kibble industry than in the raw industry. But it's just like okay, such and such happened, now it's been fixed, let's go on our merry way. And they don't make a big deal about it. So people don't make a big deal, but create fear around bird flu or raw feeding, which they've been trying to do for a very long time.
Speaker 2:It's just the, it's just the topic du jour. You know it used to be the cardiomyopathy, now it's the bird flu. They'll always have a thing to keep people afraid of feeding wrong. That fear is such a powerful emotion that once people lock onto that it's. I think it's really hard to change. It's really, when people are really afraid of something, it's really hard to to change your mind about it. And that's intentional, my opinion. They're there, they want to create this fear. They want to create skepticism against the raw feeding because there's big, huge companies and make a grundle of money.
Speaker 1:You know, feeding these crappy kibbles of money, you know, feeding these crappy kibbles. Yeah, I mean, you really do have to have balls, big balls, to stand up to the fear. Now, speaking of balls, we do have a question about the prostrate. It's the same thing actually. Right, balls in the prostrate. It's not the same thing. Not the same thing. It's not the same thing, but they're in the same vicinity, same area.
Speaker 2:They happen in boys. They occur in boys and, yeah, the testicles are the ones that make the sperm, that allow boys to make other, you know, baby boys. Yeah, prostate's the gland that kind of helps, you know, influence the show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, there you go, all right. So we do have a question from Katie. She's going to ask about dog's prostate and specifically BPH or prostatic cyst. Okay, and she does listen to the podcast she loves you too, dr Jacek and she just wants to understand really what to do with her dog's prostrate issues. She says that traditional vets who want to give medication or do surgery are not helpful. Uh, but she also doesn't want to lose her dog to prostate issues. Um, he's not a candidate for surgery, by the way, as he has a bleeding disorder. Does that mean like he's got non-coagulation?
Speaker 2:Probably a clotting disorder. I had to guess that his blood does not clot. Did you say if he's neutered or not?
Speaker 1:No, in this particular information I do not know. So can we talk about neuter versus non-neuter Yep.
Speaker 2:So if in neutered dogs well, let's start with unneutered dogs. So unneutered dogs, intact dogs because of the testosterone they're a little bit more prone to having enlarged prostate. Now it also depends on the age of the dog. So if you have an older dog, say a dog 10 years or older that's not neutered, be kind of normal for their prostate to be a little bit enlarged, and then it wouldn't be concerning unless they were symptomatic. So the prostate sits kind of between the bladder and the colon. So the two things that can happen that tell you that enlarged prostate is a problem is if they're straining to pee, like they're going, like taking a long time, and they're just getting, like you know, little dribbles out or blood in the pee or they got flat poops. So the poops come out and the prostate side of your squishes them and they get the ribbon ribbon poops.
Speaker 2:So those things can happen if the prostate is enlarged In an older dog. If the prostate is enlarged and they're not having any of those symptoms, it may not even be an issue. If we're having symptoms and this used to be what I was taught in school is that if you don't neuter dogs this was one of the big pushes to have male dogs neutered that they're going to end up with some sort of prostate problems, you know before, or they'll get to a certain age and they're going to have prostate problems. That's the reason, one of the reasons to neuter them, and that has turned out you know not, not to be true.
Speaker 1:Oh wait, that turned out not to be true. Come on, dr JC, things like that happens, okay, sorry.
Speaker 2:I taught the wrong thing in medical school and the untruth. It's sad. It's, you know, you get to a point in your career and you're like man, pretty much everything I was taught was wrong, except for, like you know, here's a bone, here's an artery, here's a bone, here's an artery, here's a muscle, you know the anatomy, the physical stuff, all the other stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, unfortunately, sorry, okay, I digress, okay anyway. Um, so that's in prostate enlargement. Now you can get cysts which can be benign. They just get like little fluid filled cysts on the prostate and same thing. They may not be problematic unless they're causing one of these other symptoms. You can get tumors of the prostate. That usually the problem with that is again the enlargement, causing problems urinating, problems, defecating. Now if an older dog starts to have these conditions and they're not neutered, they can be neutered and the lower testosterone a lot of times that helps If the dog is already neutered, I would say an enlarged prostate, prostatic cysts, would be pretty unusual, unless some, you know, something else got to be out of balance.
Speaker 2:So then I'd be looking at, okay, what's out of whack in the endocrine system? You know, is the diet balanced? Do we have a really good balanced diet? You know I like to make sure they're getting enough organ, like even I always like to add a little extra organ and above that, 10%. You know, make sure they're getting all the, all those nutrients, maybe even feeding some testicles and things like that, because you're getting those nutrients that are not there in the body. You know, if, if the dog is neutered. So I'm really scrutinizing the diet. I think that's super important. And then I would be looking at other endocrine issues. Is the thyroid healthy? Are the adrenals healthy, you know? Do we have what other symptoms?
Speaker 2:Because in my opinion, for an unneutered male dog to have like benign, the BPH, benign prostatic hypertrophy, which is just a big word, it means prostates big or a benign cyst, something's out of balance in the body. We got to really look at that. Now, cancer also indicates imbalance, toxicity, you know those, those sorts of things. So I guess it's, you know, I kind of look at it like there's, there's going to be in each pet, there's going to be an area of the body where symptoms develop if there's an imbalance, if the diet is out of balance. Some pets it might be the skin, some might be the poop, some pets might vomit, you just don't know. In male dogs it can show up in the reproductive system, but it's still a sign of some sort of imbalance. And and or, you know, toxicity.
Speaker 2:Remember that the kidneys are an organ of elimination. So if, are we feeding, you know, clean waters, your dog's drinking water clean, filtered, you know not, not from the city where it's got all the chemicals in it. They're not out there breathing up glyphosate. You know, we want to make sure because if any of those toxins are ending up in the kidneys to be eliminated, well that's coming out in the urine, that's exposing the prostate to those toxins. So I think it's just it's in some individuals it's going to be the part of the body where the symptoms of imbalance, toxicity, nutritional imbalances show up. So we just got to look at balancing all those, all those different things out.
Speaker 1:Now I don't know what Katie's feeding. From what I can tell, I don't think that I'm not sure that Katie's a customer of ours. So just for your listeners, know that we do help you guys out on how to feed raw, even if you're not one of our customers, although we would appreciate it and love it if you were. But I don't really know what Katie is feeding. Don't know how old the dog is. We definitely will send this podcast to her and see what other questions she comes up with. But, dr jayzik, how does she so? You're saying, I wonder how she even knows about these pro static cysts. Is that something that is just found on a routine exam? Are you saying that? Um, she, she might have noticed it from, like you said, flat poops or other types of things, or how would she even know this? The?
Speaker 2:most common way is blood in the pee, like dog gets blood in the pee and they go in and then they're checked. But there would probably be. Yeah, she wouldn't be able to see this externally. There would have to have been some symptoms. She went in.
Speaker 2:Now you can feel the prostate digitally, so you're doing a rectal exam with your finger but you can only feel part of it. But you can feel if it's enlarged. But the really the most thorough way is to do an ultrasound, where you do an ultrasound of the abdomen. Then you can look at, you know the prostate, the kidneys, you know and you can evaluate because there could be like the prostate could be enlarged. You know further in where you can't, you can't feel it, so that the imaging wouldn't necessarily show up on x-rays. It might, but it's a little harder to see because you got the colon there. If the colon's got a bunch of poop in it you might not see it.
Speaker 2:So doing the, the ultrasound, would really be the way to go. So I would suspect she's had something like that done Now if she hasn't, I'd suggest she get that confirmed, because sometimes veterinarians like to guess and do what I would call presumptive diagnosis. Oh, you know your dog's such and such an age, say he's a 10 year old dog that's not neutered, got blood in the pee they might say, oh, he's probably got a large prostate or something, even if it hasn't been checked out. So if she hasn't had that type kind of testing done to confirm what's going on, I would definitely recommend that.
Speaker 1:Okay, so a dog that's been neutered would not have this issue.
Speaker 2:It would be really unusual. It would be really unusual.
Speaker 1:Okay, gotcha, Is there anything? I think that definitely, you talked about the diet right. You can definitely make sure that the diet is correct. Have you seen where the cysts are actually, where they actually dissolve or go back into the body? Once you get the diet right, once you kind of correct some of these other things, can they be rectified through other means than medication and surgery? I guess that's the question.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean they can be. I mean you may not like say in the case of the cyst, like you might like always see that there was something there, but maybe we can get it to shrink down, keep it from progressing. You know, I always look when I start to work with a patient and what they have going on, and I look at how it's affecting their quality of life and I always ask the question okay and this is this enters in a lot of cancer patients If we can stop this from progressing right now, can this pet live with it and have a good quality of life? And because if the answer to that is yes, then that's feels much more doable than we got to make this complete. Our only you know they are our only parameter of success is going to make this completely go, go away. Well, that might be harder to do, but if we can make it something that the pet can live with and live with it comfortably, then that is very doable. Because you know things do happen to the body. You know we live in toxic worlds. A lot of dogs. You know things do happen to the body. You know we live in toxic worlds.
Speaker 2:A lot of dogs, you know also are rescued. You know they're adopted. That's another question. You know what, how? How long of this pet's history do we know? Did she have the pet since he was eight weeks old, or he was adopted when he was an adult? Then you know, there's a whole early history there. We don't know anything about that. Um, that could there's a whole early history there. We don't know anything about that. That could also be playing a role. You know previous injuries, you know was he, you know, hit by a car, hit by a horse or who knows it could have traumatized that part of the body. And there's so many things that can enter into that that we, that we may not know. So I think if we look at it from that perspective about maintaining quality of life, then yeah, I think it's very doable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if the dog isn't neutered, okay, but it has. You're saying that if it were a dog, that didn't have clotting issues, right? So so to say, and and and probably can you get a second opinion on that too do you see that dogs actually do have issues? And what? Why would a dog have a clotting issue in in the body?
Speaker 2:I get it yeah, that's kind of like a like, kind of like a genetic thing, something they're born with, like because there's a whole cascade for blood clotting. Like you have the platelets, which are one of the blood cells that are the initial, like first line. Like you have the platelets, which are one of the blood cells that are the initial, like first line. Like you know, you cut your finger or something. After a little bit the blood starts to clot and totally stops bleeding. But then there's a whole cascade. There's like many, many, many steps that happen to form that solid clot. And if it's like it's like enzymes, there's like there can be deficiencies where, like one common one is called von Willebrand's disease, common in Dobermans, and there's a, there's one factor that's necessary in this cascade that they're missing and so their blood does not clot or takes a lot longer to clot. But it's. I mean, I always like to look at what testing has been done Because again over the years I've seen a lot of vets make presumptive diagnosis. But there's very distinct clotting tests you can. There's specific tests you can do to measure clotting time. How long does it take for the blood to clot? So that should be clotting time. How long does it take for the blood to clot. So that should be, that should be able to be definitively tested. But I would certainly make sure that the right test is done.
Speaker 2:Now, say this dog, just say he's intact, he can't have surgery because he's got a blood clotting issue and he's symptomatic, you know, if it, if it, if it were cancer, if it were tumor, that's a little different because that's we're treating a whole other thing. But say it was a benign process, then I would say, kind of as a last resort, you could do like a hormonal therapy, you do like a progesterone or something like that which you which effectively lowers the effects of the testosterone, and that would I mean I'd still do that as a last resort, but that would not be as toxic as a pharmaceutical. You could take a hormonal approach where you're just kind of changing the hormonal balance a bit and that's it's kind of the same as neutering, it's, just instead of taking the testosterone away, you're giving more progesterone. So then the ratio, you're just changing the ratio of the hormones. So that would be something that that could also be an option, should the other options not be not be available to the dog.
Speaker 2:But we still want to make sure we've got the good, healthy foundation, the good diet. We're not giving, you know, same things. We always talk about the vaccine. You know, heartworm, flea and tick. What kind of pharmaceuticals are we giving the body? Any other toxins that could be making it less healthy?
Speaker 1:Well, I think that the majority of folks that we talk to that have these issues are already doing those, because they probably can't get in to see a vet without them.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying? The vaccines and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, I mean it's's uh. Yeah, hopefully that will get better. Uh, in this, in this next four years, we'll see. I mean the avma. You know they come out with stuff that's I don't wonder where it's actually coming from sometimes, but um, no, I want to.
Speaker 2:I was thinking about that the other day, like you know I, when we did the rabies webinar and all that, and I and I thought, you know, we really need to go after these laws. And I'm thinking, and then, and then it got so close to election time and everything and it's like, well, there's so much turmoil, like let's get past the election, get things, who's going to be in there for a while? Now it's not going to be the time to pursue that and if nothing else, like I think, going to the legislature and saying, okay, actually, viruses, a pet has antibodies over a certain level, you know the same level that's required for, you know, for export, for pets to travel and all that, can we then exempt them from the vaccine? So they still need to have at least one rabies shot, but they're not getting them for the rest of their lives rabies shot, but they're not getting them for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 2:And I think it would help allow people to get into the vets. You know the vets. Then if we could change the law, shift the law, then you know the vets wouldn't have that to stand on, because that's what they're standing. I see state law, you have to require it because it's the state law, well then they wouldn't have that to stand on, they'd have to allow a tighter testing, and I would say that probably the majority of dogs, if they had even one rabies shot, would probably have a decent tighter test. So I think it might be worth revisiting. I might have to look into that.
Speaker 1:So the reason that the vets want your dogs to have these rabies shots is for their protection, supposedly, so why don't they just get a rabies shot? They're supposed to already have, but why does the vet not have to take it a shot every three years because they get titer tests, then why can't the dogs have a titer test? Good question, dude I'm a slinking today. I got my flanking cap on. It must be my rooster, rooster, your rooster cup.
Speaker 2:It matches your shirt.
Speaker 1:That's just so awesome um, yeah see, this is not fair, it's not fair I'm sorry, this not fair.
Speaker 2:It doesn't even make any sense. It doesn't even make any sense. They say that veterinarians because I had baby shots when I was in school. I was a young pup, didn't know any different and it was required to stay in school.
Speaker 1:Did it hurt?
Speaker 2:No, I don't remember it hurting.
Speaker 1:So was it just one shot or was it like 12 in the stomach, like I've seen on Yellowstone and what my dad had to have?
Speaker 2:Those are the post-exposure shots. No, I think it was just two like one and a booster. You did have to get a booster, but the AVMA said all along, just get your titers checked. You go to the AVMA conference. They have a little station there. You can get your blood drawn, get your titer checked, see if you need a rabies booster. So they recommend it for the veterinarians but it's not valid for the dog. So what's the difference? It doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 1:Has anyone ever lined up to get another rabies shot?
Speaker 2:I'm just asking for. A friend has any. Probably I'll bet you anything that if, if, the if the vet did a titer and it came back low and it said we would recommend you getting a booster I think it boosters, I don't know where they go to get them for people, but probably probably the doctor, your human doctor, would get it. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Okay, I've never done it. This is a great question for you guys. When you go to the vet, ask them why your dog needs a rabies shot. Is it for their safety? Because this is what they always say, right, and this is what you know. Our daughter, who's a vet, who vet, who says, well, because we can't expose our text to dogs or anybody that, oh, you know, that might get you know rabies. And I'm like, well, aren't you protected? I'm willing to hear this. Aren't you protected if you've got the vaccine? Aren't you protected?
Speaker 2:have you asked her that if she's had the vaccine?
Speaker 1:I'm sure she has had the vaccine, oh yeah, but it's really weird, I think, for that, who kind of are coming out of that kind of mind, you know thing and out of the trance they're coming out of the trance and they're like, uh, they don't really want to talk about that too much right, it's better if we just get the dogs vaccinated right, because that narrative is a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:I want to save the narrative that everybody else is saying because then I get to stay in the cool kids club and people don't think I'm crazy and you know I don't have to worry about my license and all that stuff. That's comfortable over there. Going with the other narrative that's, that'd be a stepping outside of my comfort zone. So you know.
Speaker 1:Well, look, getting the rabies shot has so many benefits long term. You know you're going to get them back in the office. Okay, you're going to get other medications that are needed. They're going to need other kind of health help because of these continued you know things. Yada, yada, yada. We've said it so many times. You know we're blue in the face. That is one thing you know when people talk to me about why is your dog so healthy? Why does your dog look so good? Why is it Well? And then they get this blank stare and they're like I don't want to talk to you anymore. Right, you feed raw and you don't do flea and tick and heartworm.
Speaker 2:But the fact that your dog looks so good is not evidence enough to do it.
Speaker 1:You're like, yes, this is how nonsensical we've become. And when you and I talk about that, there has been no isolated virus, that falls on deaf ears. But I challenge any of you to go out and look at christine massey's work. If the freedom of information act has been presented over and over and over to all these different health agencies and not a one of them can provide the research that shows that this isolation has happened, and they want to play with this isolation. You know narrative, they want to play with the wording and I think that when you really read christine massey's work, you will see that she's made it very clear. She uses their words, she can, okay, well then, show me this, show me this, show me that. And they can't. So there, isn't there something wrong with that, dr Jacek? I mean, if you were going to buy a house, right, and you said show me the comps that substantiate the money that I'm going to spend on this house, and they say I can't, I can't provide you with any comps, just trust me.
Speaker 2:Right, we can understand that for some reason, right, like you wouldn't buy that house Right, unless you could see that I think sometimes, like information is, is just too uncomfortable and people just don't want to hear it. So they'd rather just plug their ears. Because they gotta change so much about their way of thinking and how they've been managing their health, managing their pet's health. It's this whole paradigm shift. It's just too uncomfortable. So if they just ignore that piece of information, they don't have to make that shift. If they accept that it's true, then they have to make that shift.
Speaker 2:And for me, I want to know the truth. I don't care what it is or how uncomfortable it is. Me, I want to know the truth. I don't care what it is or how uncomfortable it is Like, I want to know the truth. I've I've taken on a lot of new paradigms since.
Speaker 2:Since COVID last four or five, six years, however long it's been now I've changed a lot about the way I think about disease and where it comes from, and I feel like I'm much more of an outlier now, like a lot fewer people in even in the holistic world, in the viruses don't exist camp.
Speaker 2:That's an even smaller group. But if something rings true to me, that's what I'm going to follow, because, for me, feeling like I'm following the truth and speaking the truth and telling people what I believe to be true and best for their pets, that's how I sleep at night. I just I couldn't do it any other way. I don't know how these vets can just stand there and say well, you know, your pet needs a rabies shot for my protection, even though I've had a vaccine and I can go get a rabies tire and it's valid, but it's not valid for your pet, or I'll do it, but it's going to cost you $1,000. I don't know how those vets can live with themselves, because they're just telling a bunch of lies and they're just so bought in to the propaganda and the narrative that they're just okay with that.
Speaker 1:I don't understand it, but that's, it's the state of things. Yeah, well, even, um, even if you have a current paradigm right, even if you think that something's true at the moment, folks, you can always get a second opinion, even if it makes you uncomfortable because you have to look at it and say why does this make me uncomfortable? Is it because doesn't necessarily mean you know it's true? And for Katie Katie, I would get over and get a consult with with Dr Jacek if you're not comfortable with what is happening with your dog's prostate and I think this was a fantastic podcast. We haven't talked about prostate too much, so that's great information. But for all of you, if you're out there and you need a second opinion, you need a different perspective. Something is bugging you. Your dog's not looking well, not feeling well. The medications don't seem to make sense anymore. I think what you want to do is get over to ahavetcom. Ahavetcom, work with dr jacek and make sure that you're spending your money wisely right at the vet. Maybe you don't need to be doing things that you're doing. Um, I don't know. I I my dog's worth that work. Uh, worth a second opinion for sure.
Speaker 1:Uh, get over to raw dog food and company. You want to get your dog on a species appropriate diet? Um, no bird flu here? Okay. Uh, there's bird flu. Not allowed, I'm definitely not allowed. Uh, we have a whole page on it on our website so you can go over there and take a look. Um, if you want to cook your raw, feel free. Okay, all right, but we're here to help you. Brian is there to help you. It's a free consultation. Get over to rawdogfoodandcompanycom, where your pet's health is our business and what dr jasic our friends don't leave friends.
Speaker 2:but friends feed, kibble y'all, that's right.
Speaker 1:Well, see you soon, everybody, Bye-bye, oh snap. Find out how you can start your dog on the road to health and longevity. Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom, where friends don't let friends feed kibble and where your pet's health is our business.
Speaker 2:Just snap.
