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The Raw Dog Food Truth
Pets with allergies, skin issues gut issues and behavior issues can live better lives eating a species appropriate diet not hard kibble or cooked foods. Your Pet's Health Is Our Business "Friends Don't Let Friends Feed Kibble"
The Raw Dog Food Truth
Holistic Pet Wellness with a Non-Traditional Approach - Dr. Judy Jasek, DVM
The episode delves into the misconceptions surrounding kibble and advocates for raw feeding as a healthier alternative for dogs. We uncover the toxic ingredients often found in commercial pet food, discuss overcoming challenges in transitioning to a raw diet, and share insights into managing dietary changes and addressing pet health issues.
• Kibble often contains harmful ingredients and low nutritional value
• Transitioning to raw food can improve overall health and vitality
• Common myths about food allergies and how to manage them
• The importance of monitoring dogs’ health during dietary changes
• Empowering pet parents to take charge of their dog’s diet and well-being
Raw Dog Food and Company where Your Pet's Health is Our Business and Friends Don't Let Friends Feed Kibble
Oh snap, the world is finally waking up to the crap that's baked into and sprayed on kibble dog food. No longer can commercial pet food manufacturers fool us with pretty pictures and false promises. This is the raw dog food truth. The view and opinions expressed on this podcast are not intended to replace medical advice. Before starting any raw diet, do research, ask lots of questions and consult your vet.
Speaker 2:Well, hello raw feeders. I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt, ceo of Raw Dog Food and Company, where your pet's health is our business and we're friends, like my friend Dr Judy Jasik. Well, we don't let friends feed kibble, or what, dr Jasik.
Speaker 3:Or try to fix kibble, because you can't fix poison.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how do you do that? You know, how do we. How do I supplement my way out of eating crappy food every day, can I?
Speaker 3:do that Not? Not for my way of thinking. It's just like there's an old old saying that you can't pad out of a bad saddle fit. It's a horse thing, right? Your saddle doesn't fit your horse, doesn't matter how many saddle pads you put on, it's still going to give them saddle sores, right? So I kind of always remember that you can't, you can't, you can't supplement your way out of a bad diet.
Speaker 2:But that is convenience and people love convenience and it makes them feel better. I um, I don't know, I just don't get it and maybe, maybe we need to present it that way. It's like um, all right, if you're going to eat at Wendy's and Taco Bell and McDonald's and Chick-fil-A every day, right, and you're, you've got a variety there. There's a variety of french fries, there's lots of different fast food places you could frequent.
Speaker 2:Right, that's variety, but I could take something Fast food fixer. Fast food fixer Do you think people would really buy that concept?
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely, so that they felt a little less guilty about so. So, because it's about guilt, so people would feel less guilty pulling into taco bell on their way home, instead of stopping at the grocery store and actually going home and cooking dinner, they just take, get the taco bell, take the little supplement, and you know bada bing bada boom.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I can see you know adding nutrition is one thing, but if you're taking a food like kibble, it's not just poor nutrition, it's it's toxic. It's got glyphosate, it's got euthanized animals in it, so it's means we're giving a dose of pentobarbital. It's got a lot of. It's a, it's a toxic soup is what it is. And you, it doesn't matter what you take, it isn't gonna, it isn't gonna make up for that.
Speaker 2:So you're never getting past the, the toxicity part, no matter, no matter what you take, so restaurant grease that's healthy, restaurant grease that's healthy, oh yeah, and you know it's in so much of the kibble, right? So these companies, these manufacturers for big pet food, they're looking for ingredients that are cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, right, because that food is cheaper and they've got to make their margins now, granted, they're selling a granite, uh yeah, they're got to make their margins Now, granted, they're selling to a gazillion people, because that is a huge part of the market. But how do you override restaurant grease, folks?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But just by putting a digestive enzyme in their body.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, you have to not feed it. That's the only way that stuff is, I mean, so bad, because I think they use probably like corn oil or something right, Just one of the vegetables. They're not even heat stable and then you know, they fry the food in it and put whatever else sugar and stuff on the French fries to make them taste better sugar and stuff on the french fries to make them taste better, you know.
Speaker 2:So there's this concept, dr jc, that you meet people where they are. So this is what's happening right now with this kibble fixer. And, um, dr andy was saying that that's not the only one out there, that there have been other ones out there. This one just has, you know, you know, kibble fixer, that name. But there are a lot of people in the pet health industry that will say, well, we want to meet people where they are. If the dog is going to eat kibble, well, we want them to have better kibble by doing this kibble fixer. And I, just, I haven't fed kibble in almost 25 years. I wouldn't right. That's why I've been, you know, freeze, drying my own food with the Harvest, right, you know freeze my first batch.
Speaker 3:I had my first batch in there how?
Speaker 2:how did it turn out? Did it? It hasn't it's still.
Speaker 3:It's still doing its thing. I put it in yesterday, so it's still. It's drying now.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm excited to see how it turns out yeah, and did you get the bags that you seal up with it okay? So, if you have any issues, call rick, because he has perfected this um, and we've got some some kind of tricks that you can do. But, um, I have something that you know like a scooper and and you actually be able to break that food apart and then put it in the bags, but you can break it up and you'll get more in your bag as well. I'm sure you and chris would get all this figured out, but the key is to make sure that it's really dry, okay, and to put the little things in there that absorb the moisture absorber.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's awesome. And then you know we've tested it, we've taken, you know, bags out that we've done a year ago and we've tested it and made sure it's all good and it's all good, cool.
Speaker 3:So do you just, do you reconstitute it, then you just add water when you feed it.
Speaker 2:You do, and I don't know if it's like I haven't really figured out the exact amount of water, because in my book water's always good. You know, some pet parents are like well it's. You know, I don't like, my dog doesn't like soupy food. My dogs do. But if you want it to just be really stiff, then you got to figure out you know what is that. Is that one to you know? One cup or what I don't know.
Speaker 3:I really don't know what that number is. I think I could put pine cones in max's dish and he'd eat it with or without water because he eats them all the time.
Speaker 3:Right, we're not eating, but not people. But I thought, you know, I, just in the interest of being a little prepared, I'm like, okay, I'm ordering all this raw food, but then the power goes out, you know, and you gotta, you know it'll last for a while. We do have some solar capacity to keep things running, but it would also be good to have a backup. We already had the freeze dryer, so I thought I need to start doing this.
Speaker 2:So it's very cool. But here's the next thing you've got to figure out when do you put all those bags of freeze-dried food, right? So then I had to buy giant trash containers, and those are not cheap. I just will tell you right now. They're not cheap because you want to make sure that you have a lid, or tape that lid so that little critters can't get in there, little rodents and stuff.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, yeah, no, that's a good idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I quickly found out that I needed multiple trash cans and the largest ones Right I. We've been doing it for a while, so that adds up. To just want to let you know, I looked at a trash can. It was $80. I was like for a trash can, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, everything's, everything's gotten astronomical. I was telling you like we, you know, we're starting to do stuff here on the homestead route. You know we want to go split wood. Well, we're, you know, 60 years old, but we don't really want to be out there wheeling the, the ax, you know, and, and you get hurt at this age, you don't? You know, we're in pretty good shape, but recovery is slower.
Speaker 2:You're in great shape.
Speaker 3:That's what. That's what you know, we've learned If you do get hurt, it takes a lot longer for things to heal, and so we invested in a log splitter and a trailer, but, like everything's, it's a couple thousand here, a couple thousand there, a couple, you know, but it's like. But we have all this capacity to do all this stuff and we want to, you know, take advantage of it, so it's just like the dot food If you know you got to store it.
Speaker 3:you don't want to go through all that work and then you know, have the mice eat it.
Speaker 2:I suppose you could do boxes, but they would have to be really well taped right. I'm always amazed how critters can get through the tiniest little crack.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I think they chew through a box too. I think they would chew through cardboard.
Speaker 2:Right, but that is you know, and that is a great. The freeze-drying process and what I loved about it is that I could do my own food right and I know what's in it Because I've looked out there at a lot of the reconstituted foods. My gosh, why do we need a gazillion ingredients in there? I don't get it.
Speaker 3:We need a gazillion ingredients in there. I don't get it. No, the, the, the, like commercial freeze dried foods that I I ended up buying was I would just get like single ingredients and just get some veggies, some meats, cause I'm like, well, we can put the stuff together because you buy the prepared meals. It's yeah, it's garbage. It's like getting a TV dinner or something out of the you know the grocery store freezer. They're not, you know not good and, like you said, they got tons and tons of different, you know needless ingredients in there. So, yeah, I just feel better, you know get.
Speaker 3:You know do it using our own stuff and, um, we, you know, we had the freeze dryer, so I was like we got to get start using this thing. They're not cheap either, as you know, freeze dryers. Start using this thing they're not cheap either, as you know, freeze dryers and they're in it, they are in an investment. But, um, but, if you want a dehydrated food for your you know, for your pets as a backup, that's super expensive to buy it commercially. Right, the good ones, the good ones, the ones without a bunch of garbage in them hey, I want to ask you some questions that we get.
Speaker 2:Some are our listeners. We actually got a new customer yesterday. We get a lot of customers that listen to the podcast, but Lorraine, who's out in New York, listens to the podcast and ordered from us yesterday. So, thank you, lorraine. I want to run this question by you, dr Jasek, and see from us yesterday. So, thank you, lorraine, I want to run this question by you, dr Jasek, and see what you think. All right.
Speaker 2:So this is from a customer that said that they have run out of their whatever food they're feeding and they have chatted with some friends and they want to switch over to our raw. But they have this question. Their pet has quite a few food allergies, according to his extensive test, and one being beef, although beef hearts are okay on the list. He even had turkey okay, but then turkey gizzard's not okay, among two other dozen things she said. My question is how accurate should I take this allergy test? He still has yeast in his ears and we've tried to keep him off the food. That's not on the list, but they wanted to know what a good option is. They were looking for quail and venison because that's not on the list, but again, this is an allergy test. So what would you say to those folks who have and I don't know what? The previous food was? Okay, but what would you say to these folks We've talked about this before that try to adhere to these allergy tests.
Speaker 3:Well, first thing, I'm kind of smiling to myself here because it sounds like and I've heard this many, many times but, like most people that come to it, they come to me because they've had these allergy tests on and they're following what they recommend. Well, it's not working. That's why they end up they're coming in and they go. What they recommend well, it's not working. That's why they end up they're coming in and they go. We got to try something else. Like I'm doing all this stuff and I don't even know what to feed my pet, I'm down to like kangaroo and alligator, because everything else on the list they're allergic to. And it's like well, how is that working? And usually, well, it's not. And so the first thing I ask is well, what were you feeding when you did the test? Because there's any kind of processed food, really anything that was even carb heavy, even a fresher food diet, like a lot of the lightly cooked commercial foods out there, very high in starch, you know, rice, potato, and if you're feeding any like high starch food that's inflammatory and it's those ingredients that's what's feeding the yeast, because all that stuff breaks down into sugar in the body. And so I tell people don't worry about the meat proteins necessarily eliminate all these inflammatory carbohydrates. Synthetic nutrients get down to this basic diet and to me it's ridiculous to pay all this money for allergy testing. Because if you're feeding a raw diet and you feed beef and you feed turkey and you feed pork and you feed lamb, how did my dog do on beef, how did my dog do on? You know, you're gonna know. I mean, it's gonna be like blatantly obvious. If there's a protein that doesn't agree with them as much, well then don't feed that one. But just look at your pet and you're going to know, because I just don't find that these allergy tests are accurate. So I tell people, watch the pet, start with. You know I find Turkey to be pretty, pretty tolerable by most dogs. You know, maybe start there.
Speaker 3:I think grass fed beef is usually and at least with the beef like you can get grass fed beef with the poultry. There's always there's this little variable about what's the poultry eating. You know you don't know if they're feeding them commercial feed that's got some soy in it, then you know that that could be a potential. You know sensitivity too, but I think that it's the meat proteins that always get blamed for the inflammation and that's not the cause of the inflammation. You have to get rid of all the other garbage, but the allergy tests tend to tend to harp on the meat proteins.
Speaker 3:Now some tests for environmental allergies. But then what are you going to do? Like stop your pet from going outside, like, if they're allergic to pollen, like you may need to, you know, do some things to manage during that time of year, but changing the food isn't going to. I mean, you want them on a diet that's not inflammatory, but you know you're just going to have to manage those seasonal flare-ups. But I think it's also true If you get rid of these inflammatory ingredients, you're not going to have as big of a seasonal flare-up either, because their bodies are going to be healthier.
Speaker 3:And I've also found that once we get rid of all that inflammatory crap that that's being fed, they end up tolerating more proteins over time, like you might find, you know, like, feed certain protein, they get diarrhea or something. Well, their guts inflamed and leaky, and so I always tell people don't throw it away. Just, you know, hang on to it. Feed what is agreeing with your pet and then try reintroducing those other proteins, and usually the digestion gets stronger because it it takes time. If it's super inflamed, it takes time for it to heal. It's not just you change the food and all the symptoms just magically go away. Sometimes that happens. We love those cases, but you know, fortunately that's not always the case.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that it's a tough concept for pet parents that okay, when you have fed a not appropriate diet, okay, whether that is high sugar, cooked or whether it is the kibble, they don't understand that that stuff has to come out of the body. Okay, and then we reach for that thing. We'll stop it. Stop, stop coughing, Stop pooping, stop pooping, stop sneezing, Stop whatever you're doing. I want you to stop, because it makes me uncomfortable as a pet parent. And we look at that and say you know, I need to help my pet. That's all pet parents are doing. They're trying to help their pet. The problem is is that they're not helping the situation. They won't let it come out. They're not helping the situation. They won't let it come out. It's got to come out. And it freaks people out. In the beginning they're like, oh no, my dog cannot eat raw. And it's like if we could help shift that mindset that says bad stuff got to come out of the body. How do you think it comes out? Got to come out some way? Got to?
Speaker 3:celebrate those loose poops and the snotty noses.
Speaker 2:My dog is a healing Well, that's like you know, when my neighbors come over and they're like oh. I'm sick. I'm sick. You're detoxing. What's the matter with you? Are you really sick? How else is your body going to? Well, I have a fever. Well, it needs to like liquefy the stuff to get it out.
Speaker 3:You know, the only time, I mean honestly, since COVID started, that I ever had any like significant symptoms. I mean you don't have days where you feel a little off or whatever but the only time I had any significant symptoms was I had to go into the dentist and I ended up needing a wisdom tooth removed. And you know and they're coming out with this now and it's freaked me out a little bit that this nanobot technology, some of the stuff in the vaccines, is in local anesthetics that they use at the dentist. And I, you know, because there was, there was pain. Of course you know you're a little sore.
Speaker 3:Had the tooth out is a pretty simple extraction, but I felt sick, I felt feverish, I had kind of the chills. I'm like, I feel like what I would say. I was sick. You know, and I know I was detoxing from that anesthetic. I mean I, I completely knew it. I had a little headache and it took me a good 10 days or something to get to get past that, but I recognized it. As you know, this is, this is toxic. No, I didn't catch a cold at the dentist. You know, like what a lot of people would say, oh, you just got a little cold, like no, I was, I was detoxing, because the wisdom tooth they have to use a lot and it's like you know, it's it's way up here like close to your ear and to your brain and all that stuff and um. But I like now knowing having this different mindset. I'm like I'm detoxing, getting all that, all that crap out of there. So you just have to, you know, ride out the ride out the process.
Speaker 2:Right, and so now it's always what did I just do? What was I subjected to? Where have I been that might've had toxicity in the food or in the water? Or are they spraying in this area, or what's going on? That is the way that I've started looking at it, right.
Speaker 3:You know I love Dr Merritt, you know, tells this little scenario all the time. She says you know, people think they get sick when they're traveling, because she's getting away from the germ theory too. You just know, people always think they get sick when they travel on the airplane. She's like well, so it's real, what really happened. So you're getting ready to go somewhere, so say you're going to a meeting or something or a conference, and and you stay up late the night before cause you're packing. And then you got to catch your early flights, You're already behind on your sleep and then you sit in this airplane that's been sprayed with all these chemicals to disinfect it and you're rebreathing all those, all those chemicals.
Speaker 3:And then you go and you you're hanging out with your buddies that you haven't seen in 10 years and you're staying up late at night partying and you get even even less sleep. And then you come home and you're staying up late at night partying and you get even less sleep. And then you come home and you don't feel well and you blame it on the guy that coughed next to you on the airplane, you know. And you sit in the airplane on the way home with all the toxic soup again, and then you're like oh well, no, your body's detoxing. You're eating out. You don't know what you're eating. You may be drinking a little more. You know all that stuff, it's, it's all detoxification.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's. And it's hard for me to explain that to pet parents and here's, here's an example. So Barry Barry's out in Florida, okay, and Barry has a puppy. Again, I'm not certain what Barry was feeding prior to a puppy. Again, I'm not certain what Barry was feeding prior to raw, ordered the puppy box, and I got this in the chat yesterday. Barry says my dog is vomiting from eating the beef with tripe and has also had diarrhea from all of the other blends in the puppy box.
Speaker 2:It's been a tough week and I'm considering throwing in the towel and going back to kibble. Okay, well, I, I don't. I. Something is out of whack with that, dr jc, because typically in that puppy box you're going to have rabbit and duck. That could be an issue. For some it's a higher level of bone. Um, also, the beginner's choice is in their higher level of bone and then what we try to do in the puppy bucket box is give variety but also give higher and lower bone in that puppy box. But I haven't been able to speak with Barry. I would like to talk to Barry because, barry, I don't think that going back to kibble is going to be in your dog's best interest. I do think that he's frustrated, but I I've got to say this is not normal, this is not normal.
Speaker 3:Yeah, especially in a puppy, because puppies usually transition really well. Most, most puppies, you can just do cold turkey and they sit and they transition really well. So there's more to the picture and it's not likely bone content. I mean I would be. Well you know when. When is the puppy had vaccines? Cause vaccines can definitely cause inflammation anywhere in the body, including the gut.
Speaker 3:Has the puppy been checked for parasites? You know, parasites are actually pretty common in puppies and I think we need to check poop samples on puppies and make sure that you know that they don't have parasites, because their immune systems are still developing and the parasites will take advantage of that and especially if puppies have had really early vaccines. Some puppies are vaccinated at five, six weeks and I think that really disrupts immune system function and probably makes them more susceptible to parasites. Now, a lot of puppies get get dewormed, you know, pretty routinely. You know, along with the wellness care, breeders tend to deworm puppies but you know, getting a poop sample check just to make sure that's not an issue. But there's something else that's setting that off in the in the puppy, I'm sure.
Speaker 2:Right Because you know I want to say look. I'm sure Right Because you know I want to say look. And I just redid the raw feeding cheat sheet on our website and one of the things that I added in the raw feeding cheat sheet, which in my opinion is a really great sheet, covers a lot of stuff. But I say if your dog cannot eat raw, then we need to look at what the problem is with your dog.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, it's not the food, it's the dog, Because if a creature is created to eat raw and you cannot use the excuse that they have evolved, what does that mean? They're domesticated. That means we have them now in our homes. They don't run around free in the world, but they have not changed in their structure. I don't know. Dr Jasik, over all these years, have you recently seen any molars in a dog? Have you recently seen that the dog structure, the digestion, has it changed? Has it evolved to be different to be able to eat crap?
Speaker 3:No, as far as I can tell, dogs still have dog teeth, not horse teeth or cow teeth, you know, like herbivores that grind, I would say. That has stayed pretty much the same.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and speaking of crap, you know I was telling you that you're going to be on with Dr Billinghurst and we had him on. We, we, we. We heard that you were going to be on there, so we reached out to him and we got him before you're on. So we kind of stole your your thing.
Speaker 3:No, you did.
Speaker 2:It's all good, all good well, neely's been in his master class. She was like, oh, let's just reach out, because we thought you know he would never get back to us. He was like, yeah, sure I can come on, like tomorrow. And we were like, what? Okay, let's do this. But he was even talking about poop. He's an advocate of dogs eating poop. He's like, look, he tells this story about this. The? Um, I think it was colts, maybe it was like or I can't remember now I have to go back and listen. He's talking about how this that this farmer was very fastidious and so every time there was poop he would clean it up. Right, and the problem was there was no poop to eat, so there were no extra minerals and stuff like that. When he stopped doing that, the animals got better.
Speaker 3:And interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I reminded him in his book that he wrote in 1993, which is Give a a dog a bone that he had said in that book that the australian, this sheep, had the best probiotics in their poop.
Speaker 3:so anyway, I was just throwing that out there that he he's like yeah I've I've heard that I've actually heard of people um it like in other parts of the world eating camel poop, like it's supposed to have, like great, probably like that, have diarrhea, like really bad, and um, not the camel, but the people have diarrhea and then they eat the camel poop and it's that's it's a natural probiotic.
Speaker 3:But if you think about it it's gross. But if you think about it kind of makes sense, like well, that's a natural source of of bacteria, there it's coming right. It's like a fecal transplant. No, just, hopefully you don't grow a hump after doing that or start spitting on people.
Speaker 2:but the? Um, it would need to be in a capsule for me. Dr jc, give us on a plate being served up, probably can't do it, but put it in the capsule for me, dr Jasek, if I was on a plate being served up, probably can't do it, but put it in a capsule I could. I could swallow it. Yeah, I'd do it I mean you know, fundamentally it's it isn't gonna.
Speaker 3:It isn't gonna hurt you, and there's people you know that promote urotherapy, which is drinking your own pee, so Right right, don't tell me. That's a little much, but you know, yeah, it is hey.
Speaker 2:another question that we've had this week is people seem to think that you need to manage calories, right. So I don't know where this is coming from. Several people this week have said I think it's going to be really difficult on the raw diet to manage my dog's weight and calories. I've got one dog that's super active and I've got one dog that isn't. Now, that concept doesn't make sense to me, but I would like to ask you that question what would you say to somebody that said I think it's going to be really hard to manage my dog's weight on the raw diet. So how would you manage the weight on the raw diet?
Speaker 3:Well, I don't do you know we've talked about this, but I don't do the calorie thing Because I mean I guess I have found like and part of that is my own personal experience for myself I used to be a calorie counter. I was watching my weight and, man, I mean I wouldn't eat. I mean I've gone through part times in my life where, like, I wouldn't eat a calorie over. I mean I checked the calorie content on on everything but I had more problems maintaining my weight and I didn't feel as good, didn't feel have as good energy. But when I changed what I was eating and I went more basically ketogenic, um, got rid of all the carbs, increased the fat, um, and I concentrated more on what I was eating, not counting calories.
Speaker 3:I don't ever count calories anymore, it's just certain things I eat. And then, once I got on this healthier diet, my body kind of tells me and I eat sugar, I feel like crap. So I don't even really crave it every now and then, but then I eat it and I feel like crap. Oh yeah, that's why I don't eat that anymore. But for dogs I go, I, I go more by the percentage of body weight as as a guideline. You know, I I look at like the the 2% of of the body weight and that's you know kind of kind of low end, probably for most dogs, you know, depending on activity and and that's about a pound of food for 50 pounds of body weight and I kind of figure out from there and then growing puppy, I would automatically at least double that sometimes you know it just depends.
Speaker 3:You got to watch the pet and what the pet needs, and so you know, puppy obviously going to need more, a very active dog is going to need more. But like to address this question, well, you got to feed them what you need to feed them, like not knowing how to manage it. I mean, like what's? I don't understand what the problem is. Like they got to feed two different amounts. Is that the, the, the? What's the? What's the challenge? Cause? To me it's like well, you, you know, start with some basic parameters and see how your pet does and, if you need to increase, feed one more. Or, you know, adding a little extra fat. You know, I'm a big proponent of adding in a little extra fat, gives them a little more energy, a little more calories, and then the other one eats less. You know, you have to look at the individual pet. It just seems like people just make things way more, way more complicated because all this calorie like if you had to calculate, good, Lord it would take so much time.
Speaker 3:I like to keep things simple. You know how's Max looking? Let's see, I can feel his ribs, not skin and bone. Okay, I guess we're good. Right, I didn't have the same amount. Like, right didn't have the same amount.
Speaker 1:Like you know, I you know.
Speaker 3:I just don't think it has to be that complicated or that down to the you know number lozzie was looking a little thin right and typically she was eating about 12 ounces twice a day.
Speaker 2:So we bumped her up to 14. Then she looked a little fat. We were like whoa, you're getting a little chunky. So we bumped her up to 14. Then she looked a little fat. We were like, whoa, you're getting a little chunky girl. We can't have that. You know, we got to represent.
Speaker 2:And so we cut her back again. So it's just this, moving back and forth in ounces, and I'm saying you know, but think about this, if you're feeding twice a day 12 ounces, and then you say my dog's too skinny, so I'm going to bump her up to 14. Now you've just bumped up four ounces a day. That's a lot of food. Now, when you put it on a plate doesn't look like a whole lot of food, but it's very dense and all of a sudden now she's getting a little heavy. So maybe you do 14 and 12. But it's just ounces. So we just bumped her right back down to 12. It's going to vary times of the year, it's going to vary what blends, so just have fun with it.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure if people think well, I need to make sure that they're getting enough nutrition right, and maybe that's the issue. I need to make sure that they're getting enough nutrition right, and maybe that's the issue I need to make sure they're getting enough nutrition. What we can tell you is that your dog is not getting any nutrition on kibble and if they're eating cooked diets, quite possibly, and they're getting way too much sugar still. So they may be heavy, but they may be heavy for the wrong reasons, right. But when you're feeding meat, bones, organ and fat okay, some trite may be in there. There may be a double protein. There may be 7% fruits and veggies Big deal. It's still mostly protein, multivitamin and bone. Do a variety Now I can screen variety until I'm green in the face, dr Jasek and people will still feed the exact same thing for years and years and years. Do I think that that's the best way? I don't, and I would say, if you're set on that, you got to throw in some vital plankton.
Speaker 3:Yeah, got to do something I hear, that I hear that a lot from people too, like they get on one protein dog's doing well, and they're like afraid to to to try something new. And so I go through this, you know, as more nutritionally complete and this is how we balance a diet like this, because we're not just throwing a bunch of synthetic nutrients in there which aren't doing any good anyway. So I'll tell people, try just a little bit, you know, just have to go to a whole meal of a new protein, but just, you know, add in a little bit and then with the hope that, well, nothing bad happens. So then they'll try a little more. And then maybe you know, try, try a meal. But you know dogs are natural scavengers and you know it goes back to like you were saying before about the raw dog cannot transition to raw. Something's going on with the dog If a dog cannot just handle all these different proteins. I mean I, you know I thought stuff and Max gets whatever's thought out. I might throw in some tripe and started throwing in some sardine and it's just like whatever. I kind of, you know, feel like I mean I have basic parameters, I add in a little extra organ and you know he gets different stuff Every meal, you know, in addition to the mice and the toads and the everything else that he finds, bats, I mean, you know, talk about like a dog that literally eats, eats anything.
Speaker 3:You know he gets all kinds of stuff. But yeah, I mean it just, I think it can be. To me it's like it's very freeing to feed this way and you not have to be on this regimen of this many calories or you know these exact proportions. But I think a lot of people are just more comfortable with having those exact guidelines. To me this is easy, you know, you just, okay, what do I got in the fridge, thought out, throw a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 3:And I do weigh it, because I'm not good at I'm I'm still programmed to eyeball for chihuahuas after mid-jumpers, so like I have no idea how much food is actually in the bowl. So I do weigh it. But you know, I just do a combination and to me it's like it's it's kind of easy, kind of fun. I feel like I'm feeding him just what he's, what he's meant to eat. He loves to eat anything. So I but I like this idea. I mean I give people guidelines and want them to run with it. But a lot of people just aren't comfortable with that. They want to. They want somebody to hold their hand and tell them exactly what to do and make them let them know everything's going to be okay.
Speaker 2:It's going to be okay, just feed them raw. But I did speak with somebody yesterday and she said one of the questions that she had was you know, I'm not sure that I'm feeding my dog enough food. And I said well, okay. I said your dog should be eating half of a roll a day. She said half of this five pound roll. I said, well, that's a two pound roll, okay, that you have. So it looked big to her, but I said that's a two pound roll. She said, oh my, I've only been giving him two inches of the roll a day. I've only been giving him two inches of the roll a day, oh geez.
Speaker 2:And I was like well, he may be hungry, maybe a little thin, maybe a little thin, but so we do want to make sure that we are at least somewhere in the feeding chart guidelines, right? So for Asta you know, a 15-year-old German Shepherd that doesn't do much that feeding chart would be too much for her. So again, we have to look at the body. But you guys make sure one of the biggest things that we go back to and one of the questions that we always ask when a dog is either not eating the food or starving. Either way. We're like, where are we in in via the chart? Right, because if I have a dog that, like, it's got these ribs and hip bones are showing and they're eating three percent of their body fat, well then we know we probably got another issue going on, right, something's going on or vice versa, and so that's what those feeding charts are all about. But yeah, I was like, well, my goodness, he's getting. That dog was not getting enough food, all right. So here's another question that we have, dr Jason.
Speaker 2:Now this is going to be dogs with cancer. Dogs with cancer, um, a lot of times are are going to. Their appetite's going to be messed up, right, because they may be on different medication, different, different herbs, um, and so this particular customer was saying that this dog is refusing breakfast, okay, doesn't want to eat until around 10 30 AM. This dog does have Addison's disease, okay, this particular pet will consume treats at any time. And then he says, let's see, they've moved her meals to 1 or 2 pm before she eats.
Speaker 2:Dinner is always consistent, but now the routine is the same for dinner. About half the time she doesn't want to eat. They're having to hand feed. They're adding some warm rotisserie chicken, adding in treats that briefly works and then it stops being effective. He does say that she's got great energy, loves her treats, maintaining her weight, but getting harder and harder to get her the raw. And he said look, I don't want to go back to kibble, but I would like for her to start loving her food again. So what's you know, what's the suggestion to get her to start eating the raw? What would you say?
Speaker 3:Well, I'd ask some questions. As you know, I like to ask questions. First of all, are you putting you know I, um, this is a mutual client, so I know that they have some herbs and things Are you putting herbs and supplements in the food, cause sometimes dogs get just get sick of the additions. And you then I recommend either you have a special thing that you know they love, um, especially if it's real like, say, a dog just loves tripe Well, you just make these little mini meals of trite and you put the stuff in there and you let them eat that and then leave the rest of their meal alone, or you can put them in capsules. It's a little bit labor intensive but you can. Any powders you can put in capsules. Or I know products that we recommend Oftentimes you can get in capsules, so then you can hide those in treats. So make sure there's not extra stuff in the food.
Speaker 3:And I ask about the weight, because when people say, well, my dog's not eating, if they're the same or heavier, I've had people come to me say their dog's not eating but they've gained weight. I'm like they're surely eating something. So let's talk about treats, and how many treats? Because I think it's a. It's very it seems very satisfying as people, as humans, to watch our pets eat, and we really want our pets to enjoy eating. Well, a lot of times pets will eat treats and maybe they're getting too many treats. So if they're maintaining their weight then I would say, well, let's back off on the treats, cut the treats in half, just give a little piece. Let them get good and hungry for their meal, cause you know pets know how to work the system and if they're getting offered a treat every couple hours cause they didn't eat their meal and they really liked those treats, well, they might just be holding out for the treats. So I would make sure that all of that is in place for starters, and feeding them the time of day where they like to eat.
Speaker 3:A lot of dogs, especially as dogs get older, don't like to eat in the morning. So don't feed them in the morning, move them later or feed them just once a day Dogs that don't have high metabolic demands maybe they would do better them just once a day. You know, dogs that don't have high metabolic demands, maybe they would do better just eating once a day and that allows the gut some time to kind of rest in between, I'd review medications. Addison's dogs are typically on prednisone. Prednisone can be irritating to the gut, so maybe we need to add in some things that are like marshmallow root or something that's coating the stomach, so that the medications are not as as irritating.
Speaker 3:And then if we got all that sorted out, warming the food, as we talked about, I, a lot of people I talked to, you know, aren't aren't warming the food, and that can make a big difference. It can make it sit a lot better on their stomach. Put some hot water or some bone broth on the food and there's just some cancer patients that just that don't eat. Well, it is truly the appetite. So we've done all these things, addressed all these things, and they just sometimes they want to eat and sometimes they don't. So then we need to keep it interesting, lots and lots of variety.
Speaker 3:So cancer patients will have days they feel good and days they feel not so good. And if they, whatever they eat on the days they don't feel good, sometimes they associate with that with the food Cause I see this a lot like they'll offer something new and they'll eat it great for a couple of days and then they'll never touch it again. So you have to keep changing it up, keep offering new variety. If there's something high value that they really like, then you know you can add that in as a like a smell enhancer. I mean, I think the dogs are really drawn to a certain odor, so if they like fish or something you know, then make sure there's a little something that smells like fish in there to kind of entice them. But but variety is really, really important. Don't feed something until they stop eating it, because a lot of times they won't eat it again, you know. Change it up before they stop eating it. Then you've got several things that you can offer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know the way that I warm up food because I do, I warm it up for both my Germans is I have a tea kettle, right, I have my structured water that I pour in the tea kettle. So it's good water, it's not filled very high, and then I turn it on the gas stove while I am measuring out the food. It only takes a few minutes for that water to really heat up. Then I take the tea kettle and I pour it over the food, okay, and then I smash the food down and I mix it in with that warm water, and then I take my fingers and I feel it. Some people are like, oh, that's gross, but I do. I want to make sure that there's no hot water before I put it down for my dogs to eat. Very seldom is there going to be very hot because that food is cold, and so even with that hot water coming on it right, hot water getting on it Then, okay, then I, I just anyway it just takes the chill off.
Speaker 2:Okay, it's a chill off the food, yeah, and there's nothing. I mean nothing but takes the chill off.
Speaker 1:Okay, it takes the chill off the food, yeah, and there's nothing.
Speaker 2:I mean nothing, but good stuff about water anyway. So okay, let's see when do we go from here.
Speaker 3:I can't say A little add on there. With feeding Max, who eats a lot of food, I check I usually feel like the bottom of the bowl to make sure it's not warm. But when I had my little chihuahuas, where you're literally putting like an ounce of food in the bowl, I could very easily a couple of times I'd put it down. They'd jump back like what the heck? I'm like, oops, a little too warm. So checking temperature is a good idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's the way I do it and it really, guys, it doesn't take that long, it just doesn't. I mean, how long does it take you to feed Max? Seriously, from the time that you walk in the kitchen, all right, to pulling out the bowl? I mean, how long till he's you've? You've started and finished.
Speaker 3:A couple, two, two minutes maybe the most. I mean maybe 60. So I don't know. Know, because I have the stuff in the fridge, I just take it out, put the bowl. I do the same thing. We have an electric hot water heater, stainless steel thing, that you just plug in and so I put the water in there and and get that heating and I get the scale out, put the stuff in the bowl, pour the water on. I mean maybe two minutes, like at the most, and then the other 30 seconds to wash the bowl when he's done. You know he's pretty. That bowl doesn't even look dirty when he's done, though. He licks it clean, right.
Speaker 3:Every last little speck.
Speaker 2:Lazi holds her bowl with her foot and she's like and then she has this. She knows that she's not supposed to go towards Asta's bowl, right, but she's like sitting waiting. And when Asta takes one step back, she's like I'm in and she licks Asta's bowl. But here's what I do. I have a squirt bottle of hydrogen peroxide. So what I do is, every time that they stop you know that they're done I take the bowl and I rinse it out with hot water, and then I squirt it uh, really have with hydrogen peroxide. Let it sit, you know, and then I'll rinse that out.
Speaker 1:So I do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's super easy and I use it on my counters as well. Um so, wherever I, you know, uh, prepared the food, I just squirt it down with hydrogen peroxide.
Speaker 3:Prepared the food, or just squirt it down with hydrogen peroxide. It's super easy. Yeah, it's not hard. It's not hard. Now, when people say they want to put their own meals together, I say you know that's a lot of work. You got to shop for all the stuff and then you got to figure out what proportions, and I think that's a tremendous amount of work and it doesn't save you money.
Speaker 3:There's just no way you can go and source really good quality ingredients for less than what you guys charge for your food. I, there's just no way. And then where are you going to find spleen and lung and probably kidney, like, where are you going to source all this variety of organs? Like you just can't do it. So I I really discourage people from trying to do this on their own, because I also see a lot of mistakes made where you know pets are not getting good nutrition because it can't just be hamburger and a few veggies and you know, call it good, because it's hard to source these other animal products, like the bone and the organ. So I don't ever recommend that. But yeah, this doesn't. This doesn't take a lot of time, it's super simple.
Speaker 2:You know, obviously, because we're packing food right For customers and we do that over and over and over again and and my team and especially Brian will say, and my team and especially Brian will say, you know, they get to know what customers are feeding. And it just. I was in the warehouse yesterday and Brian said I just don't understand what is going on with when people order the coarse ground beef. Okay, the coarse ground beef with bone has no organs in it. He's like I never see them add organs to their blends. He said, however, I see a lot of people adding organs to the PMRs and the PMRs are going to have heart plus 15% organ in it. And he said so I'm confused. I swear Brian would like to be writing notes and putting in the people's shipment.
Speaker 1:Hello, where are your?
Speaker 2:organs. We recommend that you or he'll see somebody that feeds the same thing over and over again and he's like I wish I just had a little note. I could just say hey, have you ever thought about doing variety? So yeah, it's sort of like a big brother. You know, we're kind of. You know we can see what's happening. But it does make it easy. When people call us right and they might be having an issue. It's pretty easy for us to determine what's going on, just like when you said my dog's not eating and we're like well, can you see the ribs or the hip bones? No, we can't. So we always know that something else is being fed, right, because there's no way that if and what happened with this customer yesterday who said I'm only feeding two inches of the roll? But prior to her saying that, I said well, what does your dog's body look like? Does it? Can you see ribs or hip bones? No, it looks great. What does your dog's body look like? Does it? Can you see ribs or hip bones? No, it looks great.
Speaker 2:And I'm like, but she was saying my dog's got, you know, yeasty ears and the bit, and kind of blaming the chicken. And I get it if you've eaten chicken chicken, chicken it's high in omega-6, right, also could be an issue with vaccines. With chicken, you know, uh, protein in there, but quite um, possibly it's that, uh, if you're only feeding a little bit of food and your dog has yeast and the body is in good shape, there's something else going in the body. That's probably you know. So I think that people think that that we're smart, but it's just common sense. Sometimes it's just like, hmm, something going on here?
Speaker 3:Yes, Any trees. Sometimes I have to ask it a couple of different times, a couple of different ways, like how about dental? Dental choose are a big one, cause I think people either don't want to fess up or kind of just forget, like, oh yeah, I and we do that, greenie, every night. Yeah yeah, don't do that, don't feed anything molded into a green toothbrush Not, not good for your, not good for your pets. So sometimes I think people like so they don't think of that as a treat. That's dental health, you know. Ask different ways, are you sure there's nothing else? And I've learned to ask about the dental treats, cause that's dental health, you know. You have to ask different ways, are you sure there's nothing else?
Speaker 3:And I've learned to ask about the dental treats, because that's very common. They're very commonly fed because people would rather do that than brush their pet's teeth. So yeah you know it's, it's pretty common sense. I mean, there is a point where if you're feeding you know 25% of what the dog should be eating and they're not losing weight, then something else going to the dog right, just impossible to not.
Speaker 2:And the other culprit is if, if your dog's going to grandma's for the day they need your dog other stuff.
Speaker 3:Do you have kids? I mean, come on, kids are going to sneak snacks. They don't want to eat their you know whatever's on their plate. They're, you know, given it toddlers, and you can't prevent that.
Speaker 2:But sometimes that doesn't get you know, figured into the equation, right. All right, so the last question I have for you today is I get this question back to let's. Let's look at cancer patients, patients, but I get this just from other people. Um, they want to know if they can cook the food. How safe is it to cook the food, especially those blends that have bones in it? Now, most of our blends, unless it says boneless, is going to have bone, ground up bone, in it. But I want to ask you, what advice would you give folks if they want to cook the food?
Speaker 3:Well, I don't. I tell people, no, no cooked bone ever. But you know, hard cooked. But there's, there's this intermediate. So the first thing I ask is well, are you warming the food? Well, I guess the first thing I'd ask is why do you want to be cooking the food?
Speaker 3:I mean usually it's because either it's because the pet isn't eating it, or because the people are a little weirded out by feeding raw and they feel like it's not safe, or they have somebody immunocompromised in the home, or they have small children, or their doctor told them. Whatever the reason is that that, is it a safety factor to kind of figure out? What's the reason why they want to cook the food if it's because the dog isn't eating it? Well, you know, a lot of times warming it will just make all the difference in the world and in that hot water will sometimes even just change the color of the meat, just a little bit.
Speaker 3:But you're not hard cooking the bone doing that. And if people just insist that they have to do cook, then I would say go with a boneless blend and at least that would have the organs in. But then you have to supplement the minerals with a, you know, mineral mineral, you know a powdered mineral supplement of some sort.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, it's that. That's exactly what I'm always looking at is why, why, why are we cooking it? And so the question was well, my, my dog, has gastrointestinal lymphoma. Okay, and my vet said that we need to um, you know, cook the food. And I said, okay. So let me just understand this that your dog is having gastrointestinal issues, vomiting, diarrhea, that sort of thing, right Along with lymphoma. And she said yes, and I said and so your vet is okay with cooked bones for a dog who's already having issues?
Speaker 3:Clearly the vet doesn't know what to talk. What he's what he or she is talking about or they don't realize that there's bone in there.
Speaker 3:And I'd also ask why did the vet recommend that? What was their reason? Because a lot of times there is no reason. The vets just pull stuff out of their butts. Sometimes you know, like, like that sounds that, like that sounds better.
Speaker 3:Well, let's see, I've heard this stuff about raw maybe having bacteria or having things in it that you know could be, you know, dangerous or bad, so maybe cooking it would be better. I mean, at least they didn't tell him to stop feeding raw. I mean, usually they're selling a prescription diet, but I would ask that person to go back to their vet and say why did they recommend that? Because, as you're saying, it doesn't really make any sense and there's no contraindication to feeding raw to any cancer patient and, in my opinion, even if you know they are on chemo or something, and this one thing that oncologists will tell people. Well, you can't feed raw to patients getting chemotherapy because they're wiping out their white blood cells. Well, how about if we just don't wipe out the white blood cells in the first place? But I can't do that.
Speaker 3:Makes makes, makes, makes sense to me, um, but I would again go back to asking the why? Why are they, you know, recommending that? Cause it's just something that they said, because they thought it sounded good and there was really no reason. Cause that and for that kind of stuff comes out of the veterinary profession all the time where that's recommend things that don't make any sense and if they're questioned they don't have a reason. They just thought it sounded good, like, oh, just say this because I feel like I should say something. So they just pull something out of their sphincter and say that Thank you for saying that.
Speaker 2:The sphincter effect.
Speaker 2:The sphincter effect. She said, well, she believes that it would make it more digestible for her and I said, okay, but does she realize that? When you cook food? Okay again, what level are we talking about Warming or cooking? Again, what level are we talking about Warming or cooking? When we cook the food, it does change the digestive enzymes, it changes the composition that is not more digestible than raw. Raw is the most bioavailable and most digestible food. So there's this concept that cooked food is more digestible than raw. Okay, and the other thing is, if we're having loose poops and we're, we're going to cook it and we're going to cook a boneless blends, a boneless blend, we're probably going to have even looser poops right because there's.
Speaker 2:I was just like this is all a little bit backwards and I think that there's part of the conversation that's missing Right, so I don't know what. What is? Why is it called gastrointestinal lymphoma, other than just lymphoma?
Speaker 3:Because that's where it's, that's where it's it's growing in the body, that's where it's affecting the body. Lymphoma can affect anywhere in the body. I mean it. Yeah, it causes the lymph nodes, like the peripheral lymph nodes, to enlarge, but it can also be completely internal, just affect the internal organs, especially the spleen, liver, or see spleen and liver enlargement sometimes. And if it's, it can actually cause there's a lot of lymphatic tissue. You know, you hear it said that a lot of the immune system is in the gastrointestinal tract. Well, there's a lot of the lymphocytes in there and so lymphoma can affect that and so the intestines just are sort of perpetually inflamed, so it's very inflamed. So we want a food that's not inflammatory. Well, what's less inflammatory than a raw diet, like nothing? Like you said, you just start to cook it, you start to denature proteins and make it, you know, for a dog, make it, make it harder to to digest. So I mean even even with a case like that, and those are tough because they don't feel good, they don't want to eat.
Speaker 3:They sometimes have chronic vomiting and diarrhea. So it's tricky but I take the approach not of changing the diet but of adding in more support. Maybe that's a pet that would benefit from some additional enzymes, you know. But but the key is. And then there's I have Chinese herbal blends that I use that are designed to help stimulate proper digestion. That's what warming the food does too. It helps get that, get the gastric, the acid and everything being produced in the stomach. Cold, when cold hits the stomach, it actually kind of shuts down some of that acid production. That it's not natural, you know.
Speaker 3:Think again about pets out in the wild, the elk in sitting in the refrigerator. When they, when the wolves take it down, you know it's a body temperature or it's whatever the ambient temperature is. Refrigerator, when they, when the wolves take it down, you know it's a body temperature or it's whatever the ambient temperature is. So when that, when something warm hits the stomach, it actually stimulates that, that digestion. So I try to support normal digestion as as much as possible and support the gut and support Cause I, I, I always take the approach of we have to, we have to have the gut working optimally.
Speaker 3:If I start working with a cancer patient, I don't care where the cancer is and that pet isn't eating or has diarrhea or we've got you know gastrointestinal signs, we start there and that's what I tell people. We got to get that gut healthy, we got to get them eating, because we're not going to accomplish anything by just going after the cancer if we don't have the gut healthy. And so we, you have to support um, you have to support the gut health. But most people don't think about it that way. They think, well, we just need to change, change the diet. But no, we need to sometimes. Sometimes the body needs a little help, especially if you have an intestinal type of cancer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would imagine that that would be very hard, because what else are you going to feed For any dog? You know, when we look at it, any dog that is compromised in any way, it's like what else would you feed butt raw? From the way I look at it, right, because you can't do highly processed foods, right, we're just further assaulting the body. You can't do I mean you could do, I guess, cooked foods, but then you have to add in stuff to give it some sort of nutritional value. So the way that I look at it is, what else are you going to feed a dog that has cancer, that has Addison's, that has lymphoma? It's really tough. And I don't know where that line comes, dr Jasek, where you say well, just give them anything. This is what the traditional human side says for people who have cancer Eat anything you want, just to gain weight, yeah. And it's like but isn't that counterintuitive to? I'm going through chemo, right, to kill the cancer cells, but eat anything? I?
Speaker 3:want so that I can gain weight that feeds the cancer cells? What the heck? Right? Right, it's usually all sugary stuff, yeah, Milkshakes and cake and ice cream and anything super high in calories, because they're just thinking about the weight part. But yeah, not healthy nutrition. Yeah, I mean I, I do some. I mean sometimes it can be really challenging to get cancer patients to eat and I will sometimes tell people just keep them interested in food, because they do. They make these associations Like they eat something on a day they don't feel good, they don't want to eat that again because they just remember not feeling good and that's a real challenge. But I tell people but stick with animal products.
Speaker 3:If for some reason now this is not a general recommendation, but we get desperate sometimes these rotisserie chickens that you can go and buy at the store, for some reason dogs tend to really like those. So just do a couple of meals with that, just just keep them interested because we have to keep them interested in eating. Because they lose interest in food, they're going to die. You know we have to keep them eating. And then, you know, you start working back in some of you know, some of the other foods, but these are in the toughest of the of the cancer cases.
Speaker 3:These are not, you know, average recommendations, are a place where, where I would start, but sometimes you know, we do have to make concessions. But for God's sake, don't go back to the kibble or the overly, you know, processed foods. I just don't ever recommend that, even if they'll eat it and sometimes they will. Like I mean, I've had clients that I really believe that they have. They cook anything. They're up in the wee hours in the morning trying to figure out what their, what their pet will eat and like, yeah, they'll eat kibble, but I don't go there. Better off, you know, continuing to try or try the variety or try something else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's tough and we and we do feel for those pet parents. It gets hard, gets really hard at the end stages, for sure, yeah.
Speaker 3:And that is usually end stage. You know we can't keep a patient eating. We're usually getting in stage, we're starting to get to get to hospice and then you know there is a point where you say, okay, go buy him rotisserie chicken, but that's not something I would recommend for an otherwise healthy pet, or even in early stages of cancer. Most pets will continue to eat quite well until they get closer to the end.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Well, you can work with Dr Judy Jasik. It's super simple. You just go over to ahavetcom. Ahavetcom, her team will get with you and you can see if you're a fit, right? Well, we're going to see if you're a fit for Dr Jasik, because today she is on the holistic path and if you want to go holistic, then Dr Jasik is your gal. Hardcore, hardcore, hardcore holistic, holistic right.
Speaker 3:Not just, not just dipping the toe in the holistic hardcore holistic.
Speaker 2:HCH hardcore holistic right, Because I mean seriously it is beating your head against the wall, right, and nobody wants to feel like they're a failure and so you know it's like let's don't go down that path of doing this and doing it. It gets so confusing and it gets really expensive if you're doing both sides.
Speaker 3:I can't how's that work? And it's not good for the pets. You know like I'm looking at. You know what's best for the pets and I think my frustration is like, well, I can't help pets if, on this end, if they're being poisoned on this end with diet or drugs or you know things like that. So I really want to work with people that are interested in going holistic all the way and, um, you know, that's that's how I'm angling the practice. It is just like you said. It's so frustrating because you just can't really help help the pets and that's what I'm in this for. You know, I'm not in it to. I mean, you know we're all, we're all in, we're all in business, but we're not, we're not becoming wealthy doing this. You know I want to, I want to help the pets and I just get frustrated when I, for example, I was talking to a client last week.
Speaker 3:You know frustrated because her dog's itchy skin have. I've been working with this client for years. Frustrated dogs, itchy skin, flared up. Well, what's been going on? I didn't talk to her a few months. What's been going on? Well, let's see, we had a lepto vaccine in July. We had Semperico this is in Colorado, no less. We're still giving flea and tick. She had the year long heartworm injection. For God's sakes, don't give your dog something that lasts a year. You can't take it out of their bodies. You know they're going to. If they don't, if they react to that, you can't take it back for a whole year. So she's doing all this stuff and she's wondering why the dog's itching. Like, oh, I know why your dog is itching and now we got to detox it. So like then the dog was doing better and I was like I just don't know what happened. Well, I just get so scared and the vet tells me I need to do all this stuff. Like quit listening to those dadgum veterinarians and and do what you know is is right for your pet.
Speaker 2:That's not a German shepherd, is it? Okay, I know a German shepherd, just like that. I'm like, oh yes, I know the itching thing, I like that. I'm like, oh yes, I know the itching thing. Guys think about it, like what you said earlier, dr Jasek, when the body is trying to get something out, or when the body is reacting to something that's been injected into it. I don't know why the itching doesn't come up in the folks' minds. It's like's, it's. We see it all the time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and the food gets blamed. Then they go and run to get the allergy test. That don't do any good, but they're not addressing the underlying problem, which is toxicity. This, the skin, is, actually has the largest surface area of any organ in the body. So it makes sense if the body is trying to eliminate something, it's going to try to push it out that way, or it's one of the ways they might try to poop it out. But they can also try to detox through the skin and then that translates into skin inflammation.
Speaker 3:And then the conventional methods are well, you do the Cytopoint or the Apoquil and just suppress the symptoms and then in a few years on down the road you'll be treating cancer. So you got to let that process happen but support the body. So then in a case like this, then we change gears. We're doing more detoxification, we're helping to support the liver while trying to keep the dog. You know dog comfortable, but it's then becomes a whole different thing. And you know dog comfortable, but it's it's then becomes a whole different thing. And you know that the dog was doing better. And you know, I really think sometimes just get to the point that you can't improve it. You've messed up their body so much and so many times that sometimes they it's just really hard to get that itchy skin to under control.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I look at these dogs with all of these skin tags, the itchy skin, the chronic inflammation, and then you know, I look at the other dogs. There are other dogs that are 15, you know, 14, 15, don't have any skin tags, don't have any allergies, and you have to say what is the difference, what is the absolute difference in these dogs? And you could look at people the same way. That question is not being asked and I would ask that question what is the difference in my unhealthy dog versus this healthy dog over here that someone has? I would always ask that question because I want to do whatever they're doing Right. What are you doing? What are you not doing? Right, right, because that's what I want.
Speaker 3:Sometimes it's more about doing, doing fewer things. Don't put the, don't put the chemicals in their body and, of course, the. Of course the diet is important, but, as you know, we have, we work with a lot of people that have done the diet change and we still have itchy skin Right. And so what's going on there? Well, what's the vaccine history and a lot of itchy skin cases? I work with the dogs have already been on multiple courses of Apoquil and those are tough. I mean, you've got months of work to um to get that skin calmed down and get the immune system straightened out. And we need to get that webinar out there. Nhg Skin.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely. I can remember. This reminds me of. I remember a customer was so angry with me and he said you know, you just can't admit that it could be your food. He said but you just want to blame Western medicine, you want to blame the antibiotics, you want to blame the vaccines. You know, you want to blame that. And I said absolutely, because it doesn't make sense you got it. You, you, you, you're onto me.
Speaker 2:You, you, you're onto me Said how can you blame a food right? How can you blame just real food right Meat, bones, organ and fat?
Speaker 3:And we see how many pets do well on it. I mean it's not like I don't. I didn't start recommending raw food because it was making my patients sicker. I started recommending it because I'm like, wow, look at this, they are so healthy. And then I had people coming in and when I first started learning more about raw, I was attracting clients that fed raw because I wasn't beating them up and I was learning from them like how you know, how are you feeding? Tell me what you're doing, you know. So I started learning more and more about it that way.
Speaker 3:But the bottom line is that that's for doing fantastic. And yeah, we have, you know, some cases that need some more work. But the majority of the time pets just do a 180. And I mean, I hear that all the time. You know we probably don't talk about that enough because we're always talking about the problem cases.
Speaker 3:But you know most people will say, oh, my God, my dog has never loved eating so much. Their coat is better, they have more energy, they feel so good. They just they're just do so well on the good. They just they're just do so well on the food. I even have, you know, my cancer clients will tell me that. You know, even if you know the cancer is still an issue. I've heard people say but you know, I get my pet still feels better Like that food. They're just doing better. They have more energy, their coats, better they are, even though they have cancer. Still they're healthier in so many other ways and I hear that all the time. So if this food was so terrible for them, you know we wouldn't be hearing that. So there's just no question in my mind that this is the best diet for any pet.
Speaker 2:Right, we asked Dr Billinghurst this question. Dr Billinghurst, what type of dog cannot eat raw and what do you think he said?
Speaker 3:I would think he said there isn't any dog that can't eat raw.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he said a dead dog.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 2:Right, because and and and. We laughed because you know that's what we all think it's like. Why could an animal not eat what they are created to eat? That would be very cruel, right.
Speaker 3:Right, and why do we not feed it when they're sick, like that's the most important time? And you know, of course there's these diseases the pancreatitis and the you know kidney disease or oh no, I gotta be on low protein and you can't feed these diets that are a hundred percent protein, right, I hear that, that one all the time, because meat's a hundred percent protein, right? Just kidding people, just kidding. That's just, that's just the, that's just the narrative out there. That that I hear. But it's a species, appropriate protein. So if your pet is having organ dysfunction or has pancreatitis or, you know, cancer or anything, it's the most important time to be feeding raw, not the time you got to be thinking well, what if there's bacteria in it? You know it, it's a good quality product, then you know you're going to be fine and it's exactly what your pet needs to eat. There is, no, I can't think of any disease condition where I wouldn't, I wouldn't recommend raw.
Speaker 3:I've seen so many dogs that have come in with a history quote, unquote history of pancreatitis, which I think is bogus. These days, In a lot of cases a dog vomits a couple of times. Oh, they got pancreatitis. Got to be on a low fat diet. For you know, for the rest of her life I've taken so many of those dogs and put them on raw food and they've just done great and we got rid of the cause which the cause or the process carbohydrates, the other crap in the commercial diet. The pet was eating fats. What was causing the pancreatic? I don't even think it's the fat. If it's healthy fat, you know, not your vegetable oil, your toxic fats in the that are in the kibble diets. I don't think the fats even an issue. It's. It's the processed carbs and the in the vaccines and all the other medications. That's what you know sets off the pancreatitis or GI episodes, whatever is going on with the pet. But I always try to get pets on raw, always, no matter what's going on with them, right?
Speaker 2:Which is another reason what you just said. You don't want to be cooking the fat, right? We don't want to be cooking the fat because it totally changes the composition of of raw fat, which you were just saying. Raw animal fat is great, right, but when we cook it, it changes it and, for pete's sakes, let's don't be giving any kind of bacon grease. Okay, no bacon grease. So don't be doing that. But, yeah, get over to ahavetcom.
Speaker 2:Dr Judy Jason can zoom with you. She can review medical history, review your charts, give you options. Also, remember, the cancer webinar is right there on the website for you to download and watch. It's going to cover nutrition for cancer patients and not and and and. Okay, nutrition for cancer patients, typical treatments and then alternative treatments and supplements. Uh, typical treatments and then alternative treatments and supplements.
Speaker 2:But what it also does is not just for those dogs who are already sick, it is for those folks who want to prevent their dogs from getting sick in the future. So there may be things that you haven't thought about. Um, certainly you have dr jacek, who is telling you what she has seen over the decades that she's been treating pets, and cancer is an epidemic. There are things that can push dogs right over the edge into cancer that you may not be aware of. So this is why you want to download the cancer webinar part one, two and three. It's in the educational webinar section. It is also in the supplements section. Okay, download those and then we're going to get that itchy dog webinar out to you guys soon, as soon as Dr Jasek finishes chopping all the wood.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's going to be an ongoing project, so I probably need to start working on the itchy skin.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. That's awesome. All right, everybody. Thanks so much for listening to the Raw Dog Food Truth. Remember. Tell all your friends about this podcast. We give out so much information right here to help your dogs stay healthy and to help you be more confident in being, as Dr Jasek would say, a champion for your pet. Okay, Got to be a champion for your pet.
Speaker 3:So much you can do. You know that's what the cancer webinar is all about are things you can do yourself to keep your pet healthy and or even address cancer If your pet has a diagnosis. There's so much within your power that that you can do. You're not. You're not helpless. You know. Be be proactive and learn how to help your pet, because you know your pet better than better than anybody, and it's it's also really rewarding to know that you are helping to keep your pet healthy, rather than feeling guilty when your pet gets sick and then you learn about all these things that you could have done differently. You don't want to feel that.
Speaker 2:Right. And also I want to mention your Substack putting out great information. You guys can subscribe to Dr Jacek's Substack. Dr Jacek, what is that link to get on your Substack list?
Speaker 3:JudyJacekDVMSubstackcom.
Speaker 2:JudyJasekDVMSubstackcom Fabulous I saw the last one was about chocolate, and so there's a lot of great information. Guys, halloween's coming up, so you want to get over and read Dr jayzik's sub stack about chocolate?
Speaker 3:okay, I actually put on there exactly how you can calculate if your dog ate enough chocolate to be worried about it. And you know I I've seen a lot of people go running into the. You know it's, you know it's holidays so I did it. You know lots of talking to be lots of sweets around and all of that and I've seen so many people. You know the dog eats one piece of chocolate candy and they run them into the ER and the dog's sick for a week from all the treatments. So I wanted to put information out there so that you have a better idea of you know, did your pet it actually? You know pet has to ingest a lot of chocolate and and the concentrated chocolate for it to be really be truly toxic. So it'll help you figure out if you need to run to the ER, if you can just manage it at home.
Speaker 2:Well, my brother's lab. I remember last year at my mother's 80th birthday we had these little mini. Her sister had worked so hard on these little mini German chocolate cupcakes.
Speaker 3:There were 14 and we stepped out came back and there were none, and then there were none and we stepped out, came back and there were none.
Speaker 2:And then there were none and we were like, oh my, and you know, I mean she was fine, she didn't have diarrhea, she never vomited, she didn't have diarrhea, she ate the paper, she ate the cupcakes. My aunt was a little upset but we were excited that she wasn't, you know, falling over enough other stuff.
Speaker 3:If there was flour and sugar and stuff in there, it dilutes out the chocolate quite a bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there must've been, because she was perfectly fine. But anyway, okay, everybody, get over to rawdogfoodandcompanycom. Get your dog on a species appropriate diet. You got to get them off the kibble. Get them off the high sugary cooked foods. We have so many different blends we can figure out, uh, what your pup gets jazzed about, okay. So uh, don't go back to the kibble. Um, what was his name I forgot. Uh, the guy who's going to go back to kibble. Uh, don't go back to kibble. Okay, we can't. We can't have that.
Speaker 1:Berry, berry, no berry, don't go back to kibble.
Speaker 2:Berry no Sit, stay, stay, berry, stay with the raw berry, sit and stay with the raw. That's right. All right, everybody, we'll see you soon. Get over to rawdogfoodandcompanycom. Where your pet's health is our business and what, dr Jacek? Where your pet's health is our business and what Dr Jacek Friends don't let friends feed kibble or fix kibble, that's right. We'll see you soon. Bye-bye, everybody.
Speaker 1:Oh snap, find out how you can start your dog on the road to health and longevity. Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom, where friends don't let friends feed kibble and where your pet's health is our business.
