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The Raw Dog Food Truth
Pets with allergies, skin issues gut issues and behavior issues can live better lives eating a species appropriate diet not hard kibble or cooked foods. Your Pet's Health Is Our Business "Friends Don't Let Friends Feed Kibble"
The Raw Dog Food Truth
Beyond Bird Flu Hysteria and Pet Food Choices - Dr. Judy Jasek, DVM
Fear around feeding pets raw diets often overrides evidence of their health benefits. We highlight how marketing shapes pet food choices and urge pet parents to seek facts instead of succumbing to trend-based fears.
• Exploring the connection between bird flu fears and pet health
• Debunking myths about bacteria in raw diets
• Understanding the implications of processed foods on pet nutrition
• Critiquing the notion of "complete and balanced" pet diets
• Encouraging informed decision-making rooted in scientific evidence
• Discussing personal choices versus societal pressures in pet feeding
Raw Dog Food and Company where Your Pet's Health is Our Business and Friends Don't Let Friends Feed Kibble
Oh, snap, snap. Well, hello Raw Feeders. I'm Deedee Merson Moffitt, ceo of Raw Dawn Food and Company, where your pet's health is our business and we're friends, like my friend, dr Judy J Seacoo. Look, it's so beautiful today. Don't let friends feed kibble. How are you.
Speaker 2:I'm doing good, doing good for you know, rolling in off the homestead is a. You know you look beautiful Like wow. I don't usually hear that.
Speaker 1:Usually my hair is all mashed down and stuff Like Zsa Zsa Gabor coming in off the farm. Remember Zsa Zsa Gabor?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, green Acres, green Acres.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that, I loved it.
Speaker 2:We have a whole box. Chris bought a whole box set of those old reruns.
Speaker 1:We like watching reruns of those old shows sometimes. Yeah, yeah, I have some friends that watch friends all the time and I'm just like you guys. I guess they just find it comforting and it makes them laugh.
Speaker 2:So I've been watching, um, I've been watching old bonanza reruns. I love westerns. I love westerns and it's, you know it's corny and stuff. But when you just want to like just turn your mind off the end of the day and it's like I mean I don't. I mean I go to bed early. As soon as I sit down in the evening, I have about 30 minutes and I'm dozing, you know. So they're like 45 minutes. It's just like perfect, cause I never make it through a movie. I always fall asleep. So you know I can sit down 45 minutes. I love westerns, I love the horses and the cowboys and does that I don't know, kind of simple life before things got so convoluted and you know. So, yeah, that's what I've been watching. Chris found I mean there's like it's ridiculous. There's like 15 seasons or something like 30 some shows per season or something. I mean it's. I think I have enough tv watching for a lifetime in my bonanza.
Speaker 1:So you know, we actually have a hard time finding an actual just movie, because everything is now in seasons and episodes, right. So they they're doing it like books and stuff like that, and and you know, which is great. But there comes a point where you're just like, can we wrap it up? You know what I'm saying, can we just wrap it up? And but anyway, yeah, that's awesome. Well, let's talk a little bit about your birds. You have chickens. Yeah, you know, dr Jasek, the bird flu is scaring people and we're getting calls. People are worried, which it's designed to do worry you and cause you to move in a direction. I just want to know Any of your birds got the flu?
Speaker 2:Not that I can tell, but you know what? I'm not worried about it. And you know what, if you don't worry about stuff like that, it doesn't affect you, go figure.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the thing Out of all of the cats and the dogs in the world, which are millions and millions and millions, why do we focus on one or two that hit the news? And it's curious to me that one or two causes a mass movement in people, right? No? So you remember when we had the mad cow disease, mm-hmm, okay. And then when you really look at the research, what it showed was that it wasn't like it was some virus in the mad cow's brain. It was that there was a little bug that was boring into their hides and they were selling the hides and they didn't want the hides to be destroyed, Right? And so they decided to dip them in what?
Speaker 1:something like a flea and tick yeah, product that's a neurotoxin yeah, caught yep, caused, uh, a toxicity in the brain and of course, they're not going to be able to walk, so but you know, what that did was that caused people to really be afraid of eating beef and um, and they slaughtered a lot of cows and you're like, well, you caused this. It was a government mandate that all those cows be dipped in a neurotoxin. So I'm just saying, look, it's not that we don't take things seriously, but sometimes you just have to say I'm going to need a little more science here.
Speaker 2:Right. Well, you need the evidence. It's one thing. If there's evidence, Like I got plenty of evidence for people to be really afraid of feeding kibble, but why don't people get afraid of that?
Speaker 2:You know we've talked about things like bloat, like the GDV the stomach blows up and bloats. I never see that, or extremely rare. I've probably one or two cases have. I seen dogs eating raw that bloat. When I was, you know, practicing more conventionally years ago, that was routine. I mean you'd see or hear about people running their dogs into the ER all the time for bloat. That's a known cause of.
Speaker 2:Why don't people get afraid of that? Like it's curious, yeah, like like the, the propaganda. You know that's how you know this stuff is programmed because there's no evidence whatsoever that this thing they're calling bird flu even exists or these pests that supposedly died from it died from bird flu. Because we know we can't trust the testing yet. Yet the, the fear is there and it's intentional to create fear around a new disease. And now the industry, and then it's really scary where they could go with this. As far as the pets requiring the vaccine, I mean, they're killing millions of chickens. What's to stop them from rounding up pets Saying oh, we got to stop this bird flu. Everybody come and turn in your dogs and cats. You know it's really a scary thought, but you know they could do it Well they could.
Speaker 1:You know they could do it well. They could remember, not too long ago, when a rescue thought that the dog, the mama dog, had been, uh, exposed to rabies. So they just killed all the puppies and come to find out none of them had rabies, but they killed them it's like oh, okay, sorry, yeah, I mean, uh, that's just yeah, yeah, it's inexcusable to me.
Speaker 1:I want to go back to something that you just said, though. You said that it was a known practice that dogs would come in with bloat when eating kibble. Is this why this practice of tacking the stomach up became a thing?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I think it, because it was so common dogs, you know, shepherds, dobies, any of the big dogs because supposedly there was more room in there for the stomach to flip, but so that.
Speaker 2:So the whole idea was knowing that when this happens, the stomach can actually flip it. It fills with air first, like they bloat first, and then if it flips, then that's when it's become life-threatening within a few hours and if you don't get emergency surgery the dog will die. So but this all comes down to what's really the root cause. So, like the stomach slipping, um, god must have made an oops on that design and forgot to suture it. Forgot to suture that stomach to the rib cage, which is what they do. They just go in and they put like some stitches there and just kind of tack it to the side, the body wall on the inside. So, guess, guess, god didn't know what he was doing there and we better go in and interview, because humans are smarter than God, nature and everything. Humans know what they're doing, right. So we'll just go in and interview, because humans are smarter than God.
Speaker 1:Nature everything.
Speaker 2:Humans know what they're doing, right, so we'll just go in and start tacking it when the real root cause, instead of asking well, what is really causing this? Because if that were the case, you know why do we still have wolves and stuff, like they'd all be dead from bloatat, right?
Speaker 1:if it was a bad design, yeah right people want to say well, wolves are don't live as long as animals, why? Because we have a standard of care. And I want to say well, what? What research, are there, actual trackers on wolves? Do we actually know? Sometimes these statements are made and if you ask for confirmation of that information, you're going to get a very angry person because they don't have it right. And we do that. We make people a little bit angry sometimes. Maybe you see this too, when we say where, where is the evidence of said bacteria that is causing your dog to to be sick? Right, because this is oh, your dog has a salmonella, osis, it's got E coli, it's got this or that, and it's like what's strain? What's the benchmark? Just having it in the system doesn't mean that it's causing problems or the reason for the problem.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly.
Speaker 1:Right. So we many years you would hear people say there's an overgrowth of clostridium, right, and you're like, well, what's an overgrowth? And I've asked this question of our daughter, who's a vet, and I said who is determining what an overgrowth is? Okay, because it's naturally there, right, it's going to be there, it's in the body. And the answer was this it is a judgment call of a tech.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:Well, that's scientific Speaking of following the science Okay, well, all righty then. And then, what is the protocol? Well then, the protocol is a pharmaceutical right. Right, right, right. And so you know, it's just that today, I don't think we understand how to ask for the information and how to quantify the information of that which we receive.
Speaker 1:Okay, because I have heard this about the bird flu. Well, the sequence in this cat, whatever that, this sequence matches the sequence of the test. Yeah, it's like, okay, but I need more. Right, we need more. And I say that because when you really look at Christine Massey's work and anybody that doesn't know Christine Massey's work and anybody that doesn't know Christine Massey's work, I think it's worth your time to just see how many requests of around 260 agencies, 260 different health agencies, that she has asked for, that she has asked for evidence and she makes it very clear what she's looking for. Doesn't let them squeeze by with little you know, blow you off answers to which they have to. And they have come back and said we have no reports that substantiate a virus.
Speaker 2:the monkeyx, the, this, the that, yeah, I even saw one on listeria, which isn't that one of the bacteria they pick on for raw food there? She I actually saw one of her foias come through that. She asked him to prove. You know the I think it was the path pathogenicity of listeria. That listeria can think was the premise. I'd have to review it to know for sure. But they have no proof of any of this stuff.
Speaker 2:And she's done it. I mean, she's worked really hard getting this information out there and it's so relevant because if they can't prove that any of this stuff even exists or, in the case of listeria, that it can actually cause disease, then it's just all a bunch of made up baloney.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and and again, for this kind of worry over a couple of cats that I would love to see. What have you tested them for? What were the cats eating? What was their environment? What are their pharmaceuticals? Where are they? What is their environment? How did we arrive at this bird flu?
Speaker 1:Now, contrast that, Dr Jasek, with last year, when the Hills diet right. There was clearly something going on where you had 900 sick, sick, sick pets right, pets right. And there was a certain group of foods not raw certain group of foods that all of these animals were eating. Now, whether that was a vitamin D toxicity, whether that was some other sort of additive, we don't know, because the FDA really didn't want that information out there and it took them a while to even do anything about it. And the people that were bringing it to the forefront were getting threats, tire slit, things like that. So when you put that kind of information together, you're like hang on a second, Let me, let me.
Speaker 1:I get it that people want to say what are you doing to prevent bird flu? Well, what are you doing? We're doing, and raw companies are doing the same thing they've always done Right, they're free. The the food manufacturing safety act, the Food Manufacturing Safety Act. They are under such scrutiny, right with cleanliness and the way that the products brought in and the testing and this and that. But again, what would you be testing for? How can I absolutely make you comfortable, Because you don't know. Know, as a consumer, what's going to make you comfortable? Is it just somebody saying no worries and giving you some, giving you a gook? I don't know.
Speaker 2:Right, what? What are they? What are they looking for? What would put people's minds at ease? I mean, I think it's a great thing to ask people, cause I don't know the answer. I think I'm going to start asking my clients that when they're afraid you know, because I still I have a lot of people that are new to raw feeding and they're like, well, don't I have to worry about that? And like, well, what is there to worry about? Or the oncologist, you know, I'll say, well, you know, your pet has cancer. They should not be eating a raw diet. And so I think and I get frustrated hearing that over and over and over again- but, I, think you just need to go back and start asking more questions.
Speaker 2:Well, why does your oncologist think that? Because the bacteria well, what bacteria? You know? It's like those six, like seven levels of why, like when you're trying to like, identify like a part of your life, or why you want to do, or direction in your life, or something you say. Well, you know, I like such and such. Well, why do you like it? And then you answer that, and then it's another why and another why. It's a way of kind of doing this deep introspection. I think I'm going to start doing that Like, oh why, what makes you think that? Oh well, why do you think they said that?
Speaker 2:And then see, and I think well, I don't know, people probably just get annoyed with me, but I would think it would help people realize that there really is no foundation for this. But it'll probably just annoy them.
Speaker 1:I think all you really have to do when you're comparing a processed food to a whole food diet is ask yourself what living being or animal does better on food that is created in a lab with synthetic vitamins and minerals, heated to the point that it is unrecognizable and then dried where there's absolutely no moisture in it. Why would that be unrecognizable? The preferred diet over a whole food diet, and it always, always, always, will come back to the bacteria. So you're right, you have to go back to and say understand how bacteria plays a role in the world, in our lives. Without bacteria, you die. Bacteria you die. And if you think that you don't have a gazillion bacteria all over you all the time, you don't know bacteria. And yet we're not dropping dead. Right, You're not dropping dead. Do I think that there are times when maybe the body isn't in optimal shape and they're not able to process pesticides, GMOs, glyphosates and get them out of the body and you create disease? Yeah, I do think that, right, but as far as this boogeyman virus thing that's floating in the air, no, I don't.
Speaker 1:As a matter of fact, I asked Dr Katie Deming about this because Dr Deming is a cancer oncologist and she was in the standard of care world for 20 years treating cancer head and neck cancer but she got out because she, like you, is seeing that it's not a healing modality. Right, there are other ways to help heal people. I asked her about the whole virus bacteria stance, because when you look at people who say, well, my dog has an immune compromised system because they're on, you know, raw, or there's somebody in my house that has cancer and I don't know if I can feed raw anymore she did make this statement. She said, no, I am in the same no virus camp.
Speaker 1:I don't think that there, you know, is this contagion thing, she said. I do, however, think there are some bacteria that are more dangerous than others and so if the body's in a compromised position, you just want to wash your hands and be cognizant of the cleaning. You know putting wash your utensils just like we do in every day. Don't lick your dog's bowl when they're done. I think we're going to say, but but Well, had either.
Speaker 2:Don't lick your dog's butt either.
Speaker 1:Dr Marty Goldman said that one time on my podcast. He goes you know, if you don't want to get salmonella, just don't lick your dog's butt. Yeah, and I say and if you do, please don't let us know. Okay.
Speaker 2:Don't want to hear that. I actually had a client honest to God, this was many years ago. Ask me if she would get strep throat from French kissing her dog.
Speaker 1:I said but you might need to go in an institution.
Speaker 2:I don't know about that. I'm like no, and please don't tell me anymore.
Speaker 1:I see, see now me, dr Jacek. I would have been tell me more. Is this after you've had a glass or a bottle of wine, or what is the deal here? You know Right, good night. That is crazy, exactly yeah.
Speaker 2:And that they even asked the question. Like that they really did admit it like no, no, any who um?
Speaker 1:I want to ask you about diet and bone health and dogs. And the reason I'm asking is cause you and I both know this. This particular animal, Um, and this, this sweet pup, was put down at Christmas time. Why? Because it was a German shepherd, only about five or six, not very old, female, spayed at 21 months, 21, did she say 21 months Somewhere in there. But also a German shepherd that had itchy problems. So it was on, you know, different kind of itch medications. Also had the stomach tacked up, um, which I I don't see how an organ or a part of the body that is meant to move freely isn't compromised in its ability to do what it's there to do. But all that being said, is that this particular German Shepherd broke one leg okay, Broker's Humerus and then, as they were waiting on the results for that, broke its other one. So now we have two front legs that are broken.
Speaker 1:This dog was put down. Two front legs that are broken. This dog was put down. But the reason I bring this up is your standard answer from the vets is well, is your dog's food actually complete and balanced? And blaming the pet parents in their kind of, you know, sarcastic way that they do that there was something in the food that was not good enough for bone health, and I just want to get your take on that. What, what do you? What would you say?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, you know, first of all, I I've actually known this particular dog since it was a puppy. And you know, first of all, I've actually known this particular dog since it was a puppy and you know we did initial like kind of a very minimal initial puppy vaccine protocol and titers and all that. So this dog was off to a very healthy start in life. It did have some itchy skin issues and and some other issues. It did have some itchy skin issues and some other issues but this was, you know, very well bred and, you know, had very good initial care. Now I haven't been in touch with them on this dog, I think for a couple of years now. It's been been quite a while, so I don't know the recent history leading up to this. And she'd made an appointment with me which unfortunately she ended up canceling because they decided to put the dog down but to have two this is the humorous on a German shepherd. It's a big bone right To have both of those break and and I know she was on, you know, a raw diet, feeding your food and everything. There's just no way that that was nutritional. There had to have been another factor and in my mind I immediately went to.
Speaker 2:Well, what else was this dog getting? What kind of drugs? Because bone, when bone is formed, it's not just, you know. Yes, you have calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, you have all the minerals, but then it needs to be put together in the correct sort of matrix to maintain its pliability, and there's medications that can affect that. You know. We know in people that take it's called Fosamax for osteoporosis, which is where the bones get thin. People when, after a certain age, just wasn't going for a bone scan and if their bones are too porous, then they take this drug which makes the bones look more dense but they're more brittle. So my first thought was what was this dog taking that was making its bones brittle enough to break without? I mean, it doesn't sound like there was any known real trauma or anything.
Speaker 2:Right, just playing, normal, like playing with other dogs and stuff that dogs do all the time. So I mean there's no way that a dog eating you know food from raw dog food and company that would have had unhealthy bones that caused them to to break. In fact I would have to say, and I mean I've seen some dogs on some pretty bad diets and it's extremely rare you need like an extreme deficiency in something for bones to break just due to diet. So there's no way that this was diet related. But you know, in conventional veterinary medicine raw food is the, you know it's the common scapegoat.
Speaker 2:You know I had, just as a side note we were talking about this, we had a our team meeting yesterday and one of my staff members said she has a friend who had a dog, has a dog still that broke its leg playing with other dogs.
Speaker 2:But this dog had had an autoimmune disorder and while it was growing this showed up and I think at young, like less than a year of age. So while it was still developing, it was on very high levels of steroids. And she said do you think that those steroids that that dog was given when it was young and those bones were still growing could have affected the formation of those bones and made it. This dog had like a severe spiral fracture. It was like running through the door with two other dogs and they just kind of collided into each other and this dog had this really severe fracture. I'm like, yeah, absolutely. I mean, those drugs affect the all different kinds of things about the physiology in the body and you know, I don't know anymore about the history of this particular dog that just got put down, but I can guarantee you it didn't have anything to do with the diet.
Speaker 1:Well as I'm, you know, I'm thinking all right, when you really look at what most of our pet parents feed, it's a very nice, well-rounded diet, Meaning there's going to be at least four different proteins Okay, Turkey, duck, chicken, pork, and those bones of those animals are in that blend, as is the organs of those animals, right.
Speaker 1:And then I do know that there was good supplementation in there phytoplankton, some different things like that, right, that are rotated into the diet that are very good supplementation. Now I said, does this vet who was maybe your diet is not complete and balanced, so I'm going to send you to a veterinary nutritionist? Does this vet sell prescription foods, To which she said, yes, she does, but she said she never offered it to us, you know, okay, well, that wasn't my point. My point was, if a vet is selling prescription diets and they actually look at the ingredients, and they actually look at the ingredients and they actually understand that pets, like people, should not be eating processed foods, then where does that vet really have any authority to make a pet parent feel less than and like they made a mistake?
Speaker 2:No, they don't, and they don't have the knowledge to back it up. And complete and balanced in the nutrition world typically means a bunch of synthetic nutrients.
Speaker 1:It's just a name, guys, it really is a name. So what happens in the world of marketing? It is a name. So what happens in the world of marketing? People, manufacturers, literally say all right, you keep asking me you, because I get this all the time is it complete and balanced? And you can. And for the longest time we said what is that to you? Well, I don't know. Well, if you don't know, then can't I just tell you anything and you're going to believe that, right? So what happens many times is you just decide, or the producers decide I'm just going to put complete and balanced on this. You know not to say that there aren't a few synthetics in there, but they say I'm going to put complete and balanced on this raw food because I'm tired of trying to answer the question that people don't even know the answer to. Does that make sense? No, no, because it's just words.
Speaker 2:It's just words. That's all it is. It's words that people like to hear. People have been conditioned to believe that that's a good thing but, like you said, they don't even really know what it means. They don't even know what what is an? Appropriately balanced diet for a dog. I can guarantee you that's for you well what's what's appropriate?
Speaker 1:balanced diet for you like you and I, we're not carnivore, I, I mean, we're not vegetarians, right, because because we don't see that that is complete and balanced for us, right. But even from that standpoint, do I know if I eat enough fish? Do I know if I eat too many Brussels sprouts? Do I know? I mean, I don don't know, nor do I worry about it. Dr jasek, it's not as if I'm drinking a monster drink every day, all day long for my nutrition. You know that I would say would not be complete and balanced, right. But but I bet you eat varied proteins, varied vegetables, all types of different things to try to get as many good whole foods in your diet as possible, and clean stuff, yeah yeah, and, like you know, humans, because we have choices, we get to decide what we eat.
Speaker 2:Our four pets just have to eat what goes in their food bowl, but we have cravings what we eat. Our four pets just have to eat what goes in their food bowl, but we have cravings and I think I listen like man, I just really want just really craving some salmon. Well, maybe I need that, man, I just want a big old rib out on a good old steak. You know, maybe, um, I need that extra iron. I need something in that red meat. You know, um, I I do eat organs sometimes. Sometimes I buy liverwurst because it's a nicer way to get organs in. It's got some seasoning and stuff in it. There's a place online I buy it. That it's all. Like you know, pasture raised and stuff like that, but you know, sometimes I just, you know, crave that so I can follow my body's cravings.
Speaker 2:Our poor pets, though, they have to eat what's in our food bowl, and so maybe that would be a good challenge for people. You know, like, if you want to know what's a species appropriate diet for your dog, well, give them the bowl of kibble and give them a bowl of raw and just see which one they're going to want to eat. And I bet you, the majority of them, are going to go right for that raw food. Now, if it's a you know, your average Labrador, it would probably eat everything, because they eat everything. The food bowl constitutes food, but you know our pets don't get a choice. You know they're eating what our brains decide is best for them.
Speaker 2:And you know, you and I model diets over off of what a dog would eat in the wild. And they're natural scavengers and they're primarily carnivores. And, yeah, they'll eat a little bit of produce here and there. They'll go and dip them on some grass or herbs if they feel like they need it, but they're primarily meat eaters. So to me that's the most valid, because we're looking at what would a dog out in the wild, left to their own resources, be eating. That, I mean, you've ever seen a wolf pack in the cornfield picking up those young corn and nibbling on the corn cobs?
Speaker 1:Then nobody asks.
Speaker 2:They'll kill the ranchers cows and their sheep, but they're not out there having a little more butter, please? You know nibbling on the corn.
Speaker 1:You've got to have a game camera. I mean you probably could see it out where you are we certainly can when a mountain lion takes down a deer right and you see all the different animals come to eat off of. When a mountain lion takes down a deer right and you see all the different animals come to eat off of that deer On game cameras all over. I have never seen a mountain lion which we would call a cat by the way, any cat eating fruits and vegetables sitting out there gardening.
Speaker 2:They're like no Right, they're not breaking into your garden.
Speaker 1:you know, the deer do that, but the lions don't right and you know I can drop a strawberry, a blueberry, a raspberry, a banana on the floor and loves he's like I'll have none of that. She didn't like it. Now, that's just her preference. I know there are many people and many animals that are dogs that would eat some of that fruit and veggies, but that's not her thing, I don't know what about Rex?
Speaker 2:Yeah, not Rex either, Because I'm cooking sometimes I'll drop something and I'll kick it over to him and he's pretty. Yeah, no, that's not. That's not what I'm used to eating.
Speaker 2:He doesn't even like the dried treats like I bought the tracheas and tendons and stuff and dogs I've had in the past would love that and they make great inside treats, because those raw meaty bones get a little messy my carpeting indoor and he, he, just, he buries him. He'll take him and he'll go dig in in the couch cushion or in one of our chairs and he buries him. He won't, he doesn't have any interest in. He did, um, somebody gave him a big bully stick for christmas and he did actually chew that down. That's like the first time. But I bet you, if I bought him another one you probably wouldn't, because it was a novelty, it was something he hadn't had in a long time. But give him a patella oh he loves those patellas. Or chicken pie calm chicken paws, my chicken paw, chicken paws. Or bird flu duck, duck paws, bird flu. We just don't tell him, don't tell him, don't tell the dog.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, those beef neck bones Do you have? Did I send you some of those at one time? Yep, yep, I bought those before. Yep, those are Lossie's absolute favorite and she would eat one of those every single day. Now I typically let her have one every third day.
Speaker 1:Um are some days when, you know, just because I don't, I don't want her crunching on those for her teeth that often, you know, I don't know, I still think, yeah, a crack, a fracture, whatever. But she, literally Dr Jasik, will eat that in 20 minutes. A beef neck bone, okay, that that we have, she'll do that in 20 minutes and she will leave a, you know, a half a dollar size bone there that she's eaten all the meat off of. Um does she never chokes? Never, ever.
Speaker 1:You know I I've never worried about my dogs, even when I had a dachshund and he would grab the biggest bones of all the other dogs and carry them off. That dachshund, you know the little man syndrome. And I've never worried about dogs choking on a bone. I just don't and I've never seen it. My lab would upchuck a chicken back three times before he finally got it down Because, as you've said in the wild their thing is.
Speaker 1:I got to eat this before another wild animal comes and chase me off, and we saw that on the game camera when that dead, when they killed that deer and they're, they're just like you would have the fox and you would have the coyotes and you would have even the bears came in, they just kind of knocked it around, they didn't do too much with it. But the mountain lions and they are eating very fast and looking behind them all the time what's coming right. So that's instinctual in our dogs and why we feel like we have to slow them down to eat is it is a human thing. As a human thing, yeah, because we're supposed to chew our food.
Speaker 2:It's better for us to chew our food because our digestion starts in our mouth. But yeah, they're designed to just go. I mean, rex eats his meal in probably 60 seconds or something, it's like. I bet it's not that long gone.
Speaker 1:I should, I should time it, you should time it. I bet you, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna say, um, I'm going to say 12 seconds. Okay, you time it. Next time I'll, I'll time it, I'll, I'll let you.
Speaker 2:I'll let you know. Yeah, it's fast. Yeah, yeah, they just they gobble it down, no problem. I don't worry about bones. I mean, every now and then he'll up a little something that like, sometimes a piece of bone that he swallowed sitting in his stomach didn't move out. Stomach says, yeah, let's get rid of that, Right. And so what? I mean like good, that's what the stomach's for, Like you get, you know, get rid of some of that stuff. So it's not.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think for a dog to choke on a, on a raw bone, it would be just extremely rare. I mean, I don't really hear about dogs choking. I think probably the main thing I've heard about dogs choking on is balls. Like oh yeah, people are letting them play with a ball that's, you know, just small enough that it can actually get lodged in the in the back of their throat, and then you can't, it can't get it out because it's all slimy and stuff. And I've heard of dogs like choking on those. But those are not natural. Not that it's wrong for dogs to play with balls and make sure they're big enough that they can't get them in the in the back of their throat like that, but I mean I've seen, cooked bones cause problems in the stomach, you know, because that's what we recommend, because then they're dry and they can splinter. But I can't say I've ever heard of a dog I mean actually choking to death um, on a bone. I've seen them get lodged like across the upper palate yeah, or crosswise.
Speaker 2:I've seen people that feed uh, like hooves, like the hard hooves, like cow hooves, like they'll get wedged up there in the teeth and things like that. But not even joking. I actually had a client once had a puppy that swallowed like something like a six inch piece of the bully stick and they actually saw the puppy do it and they got scared. They went to the ER and they did scope it and pull it back out, but it didn't choke on. It Probably would have gone in and might have just softened up and been okay. They were scared so they went and had it, had it taken out. But yeah, you don't need to worry about this fear of bones, it's just another ridiculous, ridiculous thing well, you remember there was a.
Speaker 1:There was a run for a while, dr jc gwynn. Um, people were worried about, uh, one of the blends that we had and it's since changed because of all the you know people I were. There's so many bones in here. This is going to cause a dog to and they would come up with all these things. Right, this is going to cause the sphincter to be ripped and bleed and you're going to poke a hole in in the dog's you know gastrointestinal system and and my question was I get it that it could, but pigs could fly out of my sphincter too. Um, and you know the, but they don't. You know that I never had one fly out my sphincter as of yet, but I mean it could, it could you know I'm shopping for a unicorn.
Speaker 2:I think we need a unicorn on our homestead.
Speaker 1:I haven't found them yet on craigslist, but I keep looking. They exist, they you know. You just stay at it and and a flying one.
Speaker 2:I'd really like to get a flying unicorn, Because that would be really might be a little hard to keep them home, but that would be really cool.
Speaker 1:But you know, then you could open up a petting zoo and you would be rich. You would have people lined up for miles and then, dr Jaycee, they come to pet your unicorn and then you can sell them the bird flu eggs Right that your chickens lay there. You go, right, and then you've got a whole new career.
Speaker 2:Right, unicorns are immune to bird flu, by the way. Oh, good, you might not have known that, but it's a little known fact. But it's true, especially the flying ones, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's because of that ice cream sundae thing they got on their forehead the horn.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not sundae, what is it?
Speaker 1:called the scoop holder. What do they call them Comb? Yeah, yeah, yeah Ice cream cone. Yeah, the ice cream cone yeah, lordy, you wouldn't think that that would be so hard for me to get out of my brain, but you know, it's this age, something happens you get air bubbles, you just get air bubbles. Sometimes You're like here, you only get half the words you used to get we through kind of search for them.
Speaker 2:It's because we got so much information in our brains, because we're so smart, and then there's just so much in there that sometimes it's hard to just, you know, pick the one that you want.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So but we do see these trends, right. We do see these trends and what people worry about, and and we're always like you know who's got their pulse on every conversation out there, right, that who's talking about stuff. And I can ask that to Brian or some people that are really into all the social media, where all the couple is blah, blah, blah, and I'm like we're getting all these questions when is that coming from? And he'll say, well, this discussion came up over here, or there was an article flying around about that, or this vet from Tufts University said this. And then here comes the questions. It's amazing. It's amazing.
Speaker 1:There is a true art, dr Jasek. It's not like these people that have these ginormous companies were lucky, or that even their product is that good. It is called marketing. You can sell anything with marketing. You can sell anything with marketing. You just have to tap into what people's fear is and then present the solution at a price point that they're willing to pay, or even a price point that they're not willing to pay, but the fear is greater than their fear of letting go of that money.
Speaker 2:Right, and that's what's scary about the bird flu is there's. They're already trying to make people afraid of it. Now, how are they going to be capitalizing on that? You know the vaccines, or you know different foods. You know, because they're going to have to take down the food supplies. They're going to be selling fake foods or lab grown meat or whatever. That's what's really scary is now what's the next step? How are they going to capitalize on that?
Speaker 1:I was talking to someone that we have met that is from Canada, who is very intimate with farmers, and we were talking about what's happening in the farming world and you know what's really frightening? Dr JT is in Canada. He said if you are going to produce grain, you have to have a minimum of 3,000 acres. Okay, 3,000 acres. You have to have these different machines to gather this wheat, and every one of those machines is a million dollars and typically you need four. And he said so the the cost to actually even get into that is astronomical. And you do not have a bunch of young people coming up that say, hey, I want to take on that kind of debt because you don't know what kind of regulations are going to come down on you. And this is regardless of if people just think that their food shows up in the grocery store. It actually does come from the most of it, not kibble from the earth, right? It's crazy that we, as pet parents and as humans, trust the processed food industry more than we trust mother nature. It's just.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's crazy. Like stuff that comes from mother nature, is dirty or you know, I don't know, contaminated with evil bacteria, like, and you trust something ground up into these little nuggets and processed at high temperatures and full of all these synthetic ingredients. It doesn't even make any sense. But that's like you said, that's the power of marketing, the power of the white coat, the doctor that says this is what's best for your pet. You know, I mean people. Just it baffles me how people just hear one thing on social media and they just believe it because they saw it on Facebook.
Speaker 2:I mean things are planted out there. I mean they push agendas out there on social media. I mean I think there's little bots that show up on your feed that giving you the information that they want you to have. They're like, posing as a person and they're not even real people and that's what gets this property and then people just take it as gospel. I don't, I don't understand why people don't question more and then we question they don't like that. They don't want to have to think about it or justify what they, well, I saw on facebook. I remember one time talking to a client and he's telling me I don't remember what the topic was there's something just on a facebook group and I'm like, well, I don't really what the topic was, but it was something she saw on a Facebook group and I'm like, well, I don't really agree with that for such and such reason. Well, I can show you the post. I'm like that's okay, like that's going to convince me because I can see it in writing, like, no, that's okay, we don't have to go there.
Speaker 1:Right, and the question really is and I'll ask you this last question and then and then I'll let you go but what? What would you say to pet parents when they when, when they say this and this is a real question that I just got the other day we fed raw to our dog, who lived a very long and healthy life, and we're getting a puppy. However, my wife is really afraid of the bird flu, so I'm not sure she's going to go for raw again, and it's like if you had a client say that to you. What could you recommend as a healthy food?
Speaker 2:to. First of all, I think I'd say well, feed the food to the dog as long as you don't eat it. It can't be okay.
Speaker 1:You're not going to get the bird flu.
Speaker 2:Right, sorry, but it's just so ridiculous to me, like I know people are seriously afraid, but it's to me it's just so, so ridiculous. But I think I mean, for me I would keep going back to reason. This has never been proven. It's never been proven. How about this Does? Has anybody ever shown that? Okay, I don't even believe this is a real virus, but has anybody ever demonstrated that it would survive? That acid in the dog's stomach? They're ingesting it. They got this very acid stomach Is that? Is it even going to survive that they're eating it in their, in their food? You know, I mean, there's so many questions that people could be asking to see if this is a real risk, that that they don't. But I think I, you know, and if people are afraid enough, they're going to do whatever they want.
Speaker 2:You're not going to talk them out of it. But I would keep going back to reason and say show me the evidence. What evidence do you have that this actually exists, it's actually a risk to your pet, and keep asking them, you know, to prove that. And some people might wake up to that and others won't, because fear is powerful and when people are in fear they don't think so. So I don't know. I mean, what else can you do?
Speaker 1:Right, right, yeah, I don't. I don't really have a solution for for that other than you're going to have to do your research, make a decision based on the history that you know. Right. And that's where it's hard for them because they're like yeah, I know it's good, I know it's great, I know it's healthy. My dog did great and it survived a good long life feeding it fresh, real, raw food. But I got this puppy. I'm like, well, what are you going to feed it kibble? But I got this puppy. I'm like, well, what are you going to feed it kibble? I mean, I don't, or I don't know if the question because I, I the I didn't really get into it Was it is it that you want to cook it?
Speaker 1:You know, what do you? Because if you cook it, you're obviously introducing carcinogens and you're obviously D destroying the enzymes and the things that it's created for in the first place. But does it make you feel better? I don't know, I don't know. I really cannot answer that question because, as you said for me and for you, I haven't seen enough evidence. Actually, I've seen no evidence. Okay, I've heard that this is what's caused something, but I've heard you know that, um, cardiomyopathy was caused by eating, you know, a raw diet. Yeah, you know that that. That was just a um made up bunch of googly cock yeah, yeah, but they all got on the.
Speaker 1:they all got on the train, didn't they, dr Jason, everybody that got on the train, and it was like catch your dogs back in here. I think they have heart disease.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and now that that's been completely disproven, they're not blasting that information out there Like that whole thing about dogs need grain to have a healthy heart. That's going to be around for decades, it's going to be. That's telling people that because they don't, they don't push out when things like that get disproven because then that would what make. That's why I start questioning the information they hear can't have that, so they just let it filter out in all the you know, to all the kooky people like us that talk about it and not get it out into the mainstream veterinary world.
Speaker 1:Well, I personally like hanging out with kooky people like you and I think that if you guys want a second opinion, if you're, you know, your intuition is just like yeah, something doesn't sound right about this diagnosis, something doesn't sound right about the protocol that I've been given, it would be well worth your time to go over to ahavetcom. Ahavet three oh three, that's um, that is ozone. Okay, Our ozone for for you were. You were awarded that because you're one of the top holistic vets. Isn't that correct? That's what they say. That's what they say, and I'm going to repeat it. Like, uh, you know, like everybody else does. So I'm repeating it. No, you are, you are amazing.
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