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The Raw Dog Food Truth
Pets with allergies, skin issues gut issues and behavior issues can live better lives eating a species appropriate diet not hard kibble or cooked foods. Your Pet's Health Is Our Business "Friends Don't Let Friends Feed Kibble"
The Raw Dog Food Truth
The Truth About Raw Food Recalls and Bias - Dr. Judy Jasek
We discuss the pervasive misconceptions surrounding pet nutrition, particularly the efficacy of kibble and prescription diets. Our conversation explores the conflicts of interest in veterinary feed recommendations, the fear surrounding raw food diets triggered by misinformation, and emphasizes the importance of informed decision-making for pet health.
• The misleading nature of prescription diets
• Conflicts of interest in veterinary education
• Managing fear surrounding raw food diets
• The impact of regulatory failures in pet food testing
• Benefits of ozone therapy for pet health
• Encouraging critical thinking in pet nutrition choices
Raw Dog Food and Company where Your Pet's Health is Our Business and Friends Don't Let Friends Feed Kibble
Well, hello Raw Feeders. I'm Deedee Mercer-Moffitt, ceo of Raw Dog Food Company. We Are Pets, health is our business and we're friends. Like my friend O3 Vet of the Year, dr Judy Jasik, you've got this award. Well, let me finish that. Friends, don't let friends feed kibble, like my friend, Dr Judy Jasik.
Speaker 2:Right, right, like people don't know that, like it just says it right there on your back, on your background, but I'll reinforce it, and on the back of my shirt as well, right on the back of my shirt, which I can't say it too many times.
Speaker 1:Right, well, I know, I, it's just well, I can't even understand why people still do it. But the prescription diets, right, they're like. Well, my vet said that I needed to feed this prescription diet and I said, well, look, prescription, that is a brand name, there's nothing prescription in it, and if they can tell you what it is that is, you know, you can't get it anywhere else. Maybe that combination, but come on, dr Jasek, is it really food that you would prescribe for a sick or even a well dog?
Speaker 2:No, no. The only thing that makes it prescription is you have to go to the vet to buy it and pay prescription prices for it. But if you look at the ingredients, you may as well go to the store and buy Purina Not that I'm recommending that either, but if you're going to buy that kind of food, just look at the ingredients. It isn't really any different than your average grocery store kibble.
Speaker 1:No, no, it's crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, all crap, it's all crap. But how brilliant is that marketing, dr Jasek, that you have? Vets have the exclusive right to sell this thing called prescription. Nobody questions what's prescription about it. You mean it's helpful or like what you said. I can only get it via you, right? Nobody's going to ask that question. How brilliant is this? To move crappy kibble through the veterinary channel?
Speaker 2:Right and the vets are intentionally not given nutritional information in vet school. It's still. I mean, it was the same when I was in vet school many, many moons ago and it's the same today. If I talk to more recent graduates, they get like one quickie course and you know what they teach them Sell these prescription diets. They give you a little book.
Speaker 2:I remember when I graduated, hills was like the only prescription diet around and you had this little. You know they got all the letters, the AD and ID and DD and who knows, they probably got all the letters. They're probably starting over, they probably have double AAD or something now. But you got this little book with all the little letters and this is what's going on, you know diarrhea, vomiting, liver disease, whatever. You just go to the book, you know, open that page. This is the food you feed. You don't have to think about anything else. You don't have to know anything else. So it's to the best. It feels like an easy answer. I don't have to learn anything about nutrition because Hills has already got it all figured out for me and I just recommend these diets and I don't have to, you know, think any more about it. That's what they want vets to believe. So then it's. It's an easy out and, you know, looks like a win-win for everybody except for the poor pets.
Speaker 2:It's a win for people making money out of selling these diets and the vets don't have to spend any time actually learning about nutrition. But in the meantime the poor pets are suffering and getting sicker. And it is brilliant marketing because then these companies, they fund the research at the universities in exchange for the universities teaching their students to sell these foods. It's a total racket.
Speaker 1:Does anybody see a problem with that? Listeners, do you see a problem with pet food companies, pharmaceutical companies, funding the actual schools that are going to talk about nutrition and talk about health? Anybody see a problem with that?
Speaker 2:Like maybe a little conflict of interest.
Speaker 1:I mean, look so remember when the whole COVID stuff and people didn't want to come out, or at least the, the, the news, or even shows that had Pfizer or the pharmaceutical companies buying the majority of their advertising dollars. Their hands are totally strapped if their income stream is based on those companies. You're not going to talk down a company that is paying you major money, so that makes no sense, right? That's just like politics, you know? It is politics Meaning we will fund your study if you vote this way, or we'll vote this way if we get this many dollars from you. I mean, that's not a very transparent and ethical and sensical way to do business.
Speaker 2:It's corrupt and that's how a lot of research is done. You know a lot of people say, well, show me this, I want to see the research study. Well, so much research is what happens. Because research good research is really expensive to run because you've got to have your you know data sets, you've got to have your controls. It has to be like to do a double blind or say you know, a drug company wants to test a new drug, where you're going to have different, different groups, like a group where they get this new product, whatever it is, and then you're going to have a control group that you know gets nothing, and then maybe another group that gets a placebo. So they think they're getting something, but they're really getting nothing. To see what's the you know psychological effect in humans, like for a drug to be labeled by the FDA, it has to be a certain percentage more effective than the um, the placebo group.
Speaker 2:But who funds these studies? It's the drug company. And do you think they're not saying, um, you know which? So whatever, and a lot of times this is universities, you know. So these reports come out of, you know, john tophkins or whatever, these big institutions you think they're not telling them see. By the way, if we get these results that we really like to see, then we're going to give you guys a little more money for, you know, for future research.
Speaker 1:That's exactly what happens.
Speaker 2:We knew that happened with the DCM, that at Tufts that got paid off by Hills to just send certain data to the FDA not outwardly lie, but maybe things that didn't fit the Hills agenda. Let's just not send that stuff on. And that's what happens with research all the time. It all comes down to the money and I think most research these days is done. They know what result they want and they pick the data that fits that. They'll throw out the data that doesn't fit their results. So, wanting to see a research study, they mean absolutely nothing, right.
Speaker 1:They mean absolutely nothing. But what doesn't mean absolutely nothing is your award. That you've got is your award. And if you guys didn't see our newsletter, we have Dr Judy Jacek in there. She's the O3 Vets Hero of the Year and our newsletter says this Congratulations to our very own Dr Judy Jacek, who was named the O3 Vets Hero of the Year for 2024. This award is given to a veterinarian each year who is devoted to promoting health and wellness among our pet population, in large part through the use of ozone therapy. Holistic veterinarian like Dr JC Koo, uses a whole body approach to healing that focuses on supporting the body's inherent ability to be healthy. So congratulations on that. What does O3 stand for? Is that ozone? Yeah, ozone.
Speaker 2:So ozone, the ozone molecule is O3. It's three oxygen atoms. The oxygen in the air we breathe is O2. O3, ozone is that has that third oxygen atom and that's why it's so effective at oxygenating the body. Because that third atom, it's a very unstable molecule. So that third oxygen atom like wants to jump off and interact with the tissues and do all kinds of cool stuff in the body.
Speaker 2:So yeah, ozone therapy is amazing and you know one of the you know one of my you know big affiliations with O3 vets is they sell really nice units for home use. Because a lot of people like talk to I mean I, I've been doing ozone therapy and that's I mean not as much now because I don't have a clinic, but a lot of people in Tennessee want to drive, come see me, I still got the stuff I'll do. You know I do ozone treatments here at the house but a lot of people don't have a practitioner available to do it. But O3Vets has these really nice little home units. I think they're very affordable. It's like probably eight $900 to invest in this and then you're doing all the treatments at home. So you're not paying somebody to do the treatments. I think they pay for themselves very quickly.
Speaker 2:So I love working with O3. That's because if I have somebody that might be interested, I just sent them over there. They can do the equipment piece and I can help with the, you know, any treatment questions, because they can't answer medical questions and stuff over there. I can't because I got this doctor thing, so they let me answer, they, let me answer those, they let me answer those questions, at least at least so far. So anyway, in partnering with them, you know, I think we've helped bring up ozone therapy to a lot more pets through the home treatments which a lot of people wouldn't even think about. It's very accessible.
Speaker 2:And this is mostly rectal. Yeah, you're putting ozone up your pet's bum. It's kind of weird. Your pet will give you some funny looks, but it's. It's very doable. We've taught lots and lots of people how to use it and lots of pets really benefit from it.
Speaker 1:That's amazing, and you can work with Dr Judy Jasik at ahavetcom Ahavetcom that's fabulous. All right, dr Jasik, you asked me about the bird flu. We talked about the bird flu. I'm getting emails about the bird flu. Are you getting emails about the bird flu? Oh, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, about the bird flu. Are you getting emails about the bird flu? Oh yeah, okay, oh yeah, oh yeah, people are already like you know what do I do? Do I need to be worried? And I I wrote just a brief statement, you know, to my team so that they could just send that out to people. Um, cause there's so much fear around I? It baffles me how quickly the fear takes off. There was one case, one case, and can't even be proven that it was bird flu, which you and I don't even believe, that such a thing even exists.
Speaker 2:But say there was something toxic in that food. There's absolutely no concrete proof that the cat that died that the food caused it. There's many other cats ate that food. I actually heard from so our nutritionist, karen. She owns a holistic pet food store here in Tennessee and so she's. You know this. You know pet food industry stuff really has an impact on her. So she's been really following it and I guess the same company that processes the turkey for this food company that the cat ate also processes for humans. And we just came off of Thanksgiving. So there's been no other reports of except for this one cat.
Speaker 2:So wouldn't you think that if there was something that terrible in there that animals and people would be dropping dead? It's this horrible, deadly supposed virus. I mean, none of it makes any sense but people are just panicked about it. So I, you know, I just wrote a little statement saying you know, we are not swaying from our recommendation, for, you know, feeding raw food, we don't see any danger in it, you know we have a whole list of what our suppliers do, of what the processors do, in order to keep us safe.
Speaker 1:However, let's go over this a little bit, dr Jasek, and this comes from Susan Thixton okay, the title of this article is Ending 2024 with the Worst Pet Food Regulatory Failure. Okay, so first sentence, coming right off the top, is Oregon Department of Agriculture just proved to the entire world they are a corrupt regulatory organization. And they said how. Well, by violating the number one rule in testing protocol and a recall procedure. And this is the question that people have you guys ever had a recall? Are you worried about the bird food? Well, first of all, these are two totally separate questions, and and and you know we have to answer those, but it's taking up an inordinate amount of our time um, but she says you know, um, northwest naturals pet food okay, they initiated a recall on 12 24 for highly pathogenic avian flu influenza, which is HPAI virus. Just that statement alone is going to send people into a tizzy. Supposedly, this was the first confirmation of HPAI in pet food in the US, but the testing of the pet food was performed by Oregon Department of Agriculture on an opened bag of pet food. Okay, violating the number one rule in testing protocols. And she says in the letter she said the fact is, it is mandatory for regulatory authorities to test unopened samples and the protocol for USDA, fda and all state departments of agriculture is to test an unopened sample. An unopened sample is not acceptable sample. To force a company to a recall, okay, but in this instance Oregon Department of Agriculture did not test any unopened packages of Northwest Naturals pet food. So I have a little bit of other inside information. Okay, so Susan Thixton talked to Kelly, someone who has a big Facebook group, and said that she spoke to the cat owner the one cat that you're talking about, dr Jasek that died. Okay, this cat owner said she claimed that the cat was an indoor cat and yet Susan spoke to the neighbor and she said the cat is mostly outdoors. Okay, so the owner was questioned and she admitted that the cat is outdoor frequently and travels with them often.
Speaker 1:Northwest Naturals said they did not want to do a recall but felt that they were pressured by the FDA. Shocker, shocker, that the FDA would say we're going to close. You Look, we've gone through. It's ridiculous what they do. But anyway, the cat food tested was an open can of food, which obviously breaks the chain of control and violates the rules for pet food testing. So here we have one cat, okay, then you're going to violate the protocol for testing. Then you're going to pressure Northwest Naturals into doing a recall. Susan, I believe Fixin has left messages for the FDA in Oregon and they have not returned her call. She said this is the most deceitful way to bring down the raw food industry and she said that the pet owner does feel terrible and didn't realize all this would happen. Okay, then I mean I don't even understand. I really don't understand how and maybe you do, dr jason how did northwest naturals or the fda did this go through a veterinary um clinic that said this cat had the avian flu? How did this even get to this point?
Speaker 2:right, it's just. It all to me just smacks of a big setup, even the the pet owner like. This was all just and especially cause they lied Like why would like if this was just an innocent, you know pet owner? No collaboration with, no setup with the industry or whatever Cause. I do think this is a calculated attempt to take down the raw food industry because it's just.
Speaker 2:I could just see it coming when they started talking about, you know, bird flu and all that you know, why would they lie? Why would they lie about the cat being indoor? If this was just an incident, like why would somebody intentionally say, oh well, my cat was indoor and then we find out it's outdoor? Like, yeah, it doesn't make any sense. There's no medical records, no medical history on the cat. A cat dies and it was eating this food.
Speaker 1:I mean so like there could be a million other reasons why the cat died, but oh, we have a positive test?
Speaker 2:Oh, let's see, was it a PCR test? Cause we know that about. You know the these PCR tests. I just actually sent out a sub stack this morning about how false, false these tests can be, because if the PCR tests are run at enough cycles, they'll test positive for anything. So so these tests are not even valid. So now we're blaming the whole raw food industry because one cat died. We don't even know was it sick? Were there any symptoms? Could it run out and get hit by a car? Just like COVID? Remember in COVID, like people would go in somebody a gunshot wound? Oh, die to COVID, you know it just smacks of all that kind of deception.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was just looking at your sub stack and you're asking in this. You said so. Let's say you've got a sick animal and it's PCR tested for the bird flu and it comes up with a positive result 45. And that test tells us nothing about why the animal died, as it could very well be a false positive result. Even the inventor of the PCR test, Kerry Mullis, declared that this test was not accurate for diagnostic testing of any pathogen. Not only that, dr Jasig, but you and I have talked about Christine Massey and her asking these institutions where is the actual report? Where are the studies that show right? This is the cause, this is the thing. And again I say, if it was a big deal, they'd say shut your pie hole. Here's the evidence. And yet they don't. And that causes me to say why? Why would you not want us to know? Because you don't have it?
Speaker 2:Because you don't have the evidence and for the life of me like that. You know the people I work with my clients. Like you know we stand, I talk to them. I think they're pretty intelligent people and all that pretty aware. But how people that fear switch can can flip on so so easily and especially, you know we've been through all the covet like we think that would have raised some more awareness in people. But when I see this whole panic over this, just one incident with no proof whatsoever besides a supposed test that wasn't even done appropriately. I didn't even know that about the open packaging and yet people are just flipping out. They're going to quit buying Like where are people's ever loving minds.
Speaker 1:I'm kidding, yeah, it's nuts. And then you know, there certainly are a lot of things that are thrown around out there about what those people, the people that are in charge, whoever they is are doing. And something came across my desk today and the title is John Hopkins, because we were just talking about this. John Hopkins University confirms the PCR test alone will vaccinate you, and in this article it says now I don't know because I have not researched this guy, so you want to do your own research, but it's on a, on a sub stack and it's coming from. Bruce Tanner is the person that's writing this, but it's coming to me by need to know dot news. Now here's what they're saying.
Speaker 1:According to Johns Hopkins University, there are these things in the PCR test on the swab on the cotton. They're called theragrippers and they are administered with cotton swabs, just like the PCR test. October 2020, a Johns Hopkins University research team published positive results from an animal study, confirming that the new technology works flawlessly. Now what they're saying is that in January 2019, the WHO defined the growing number of vaccination critics as one of the top 10 threats to global health right, certainly because of coronavirus. So what they're saying is that they're in these PCR tests and the way that they administer these Theragrippers to get into the body. Theragrippers and I can find it in here. It actually talks about it, but it's a kerosene coating on the Theragripper.
Speaker 1:Okay, so there's these things that are in the cotton swab and then they put it in the nose. And these tiny devices known as Theragrippers are made of metal and a thin film that changes shape and they're covered with heat sensitive kerosene wax and they're about as big as a dust particle, according to this article. And these theragrippers attach to the intestinal mucosa and then deliver drugs into the body. That's what they're saying. That's what this whole thing is saying.
Speaker 1:Um, but they're saying that it, once these theragrippers reach body temperature, dr jasic, the device close, close autonomously and clamp onto the wall of the colon and they say they bury themselves deep into the mucosa where they release their drug load to the body and that eventually the Theragripper lose their grip on the tissue and are removed from the colon through normal gastrointestinal muscle function. But in this article, what they're saying is because people are now vaccine hesitant for good reason, right, that they're going, that these folks, when you talk about the WHO, the CDC, all these they're not going to give up on the whole vaccination thing. It's just can we figure out another way to deliver it that isn't quite as threatening? Now, is this true or not? I have no way of knowing. I just read it and I thought it was very interesting.
Speaker 2:I read that article as well. I actually linked to it in my sub stack because sub stack Cause I just saw that come through.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I just saw it come through this morning as well on a on one of my sub stack feeds. And yeah, I mean and and I don't know like if any of the their description of the technology is true. I have no familiarity with it, but just the fact that why are they doing this research? They're doing research to attach something to a cotton swab used for a test to transmit drugs or vaccines or whatever toxin, whatever you want to call them into a human or an animal. So just the fact that they're working on this technology, I mean they wouldn't be working on the technology if they didn't want to use it. Right, if they're not going to use these tests? Because what do they do?
Speaker 2:What was their out with COVID for people that really didn't want the shot? Well, okay, because I had some clients like this. They didn't want to get the shot to go to work. They had to get tested twice a week and I remember thinking I wouldn't be putting that swab up my nose. You know, also in that article, um um, it says that in China they are testing people rectally so they can get exposure right directly in the sphincter up your sphincter, just up your sphincter and shut your pie hole like the poor Chinese man.
Speaker 2:They don't have much say. Hide your face.
Speaker 1:They have to breathe in a mask all the time and they get stuff you know up their sphincter.
Speaker 2:I mean, come on, I'd be pissed, it'd be a little hard to do the drive-through testing. That way I think I come up and moon them just take your butt right out the window.
Speaker 1:Would you drop your drawers and start your grinning?
Speaker 2:I mean it's just insane. I wake up in the morning and I just feel like the world has just gone freaking nuts.
Speaker 1:You feel like putting a lock on your pants, don't you? You're like, you're not getting my cavity.
Speaker 2:That's right, filling up all my holes. Nobody's getting in them.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, that felt good.
Speaker 2:I like to laugh that hard.
Speaker 1:I like to laugh that hard. It releases something inside of me, something good, and it's not a TheraGripper, I can tell you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but isn't that like freaky? I read that and I think about these little. I think about like my mom used to have these, this gripper thing she'd use to reach stuff which she couldn't bend over. You know, to reach stuff, this little gripper thing. So I'm envisioning these little teeth grabby things attaching to the insides of your intestine and holding on there and then releasing whatever they have and then you poop them out, but then you've absorbed whatever it is. Don't, don't, don't fall for any of this stuff.
Speaker 2:And though they're going to be testing our animals, what do you think they're going to be doing to our pets? One dead cat, what do you bet? I mean, right along with rabies vaccines, clinics are going to start mandating bird flu testing. I mean I can just see it coming. This is going to be such a nightmare. I mean. I hope I'm wrong, but I bet I'm not.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, and the bigger picture, the ramifications, how many innocent animals will be slaughtered because people don't question? It's like, oh well, for the better good. Now I see how our minds get programmed, dr jasic. So there are a couple of shows on tv squid games, uh, beast games and their competitions. What one is, um, squid games. It's very disturbing, very disturbing a show. But basically what they in my uh, assertion of this, of looking at this, what they're trying to do is say you need to sacrifice yourself for the better good, and didn't we hear that in the last couple of years? Right, you need to sacrifice you being around people for grandma. You're going to kill her.
Speaker 1:I know, I heard that from my neighbor.
Speaker 2:I heard that from my family. Like well, if the vaccines are so great, you know, you insisted that mom got the vaccine. So you know, what are you? What are you worried about? Like I'm automatically contaminated because I choose not to get the vaccine. These vaccines are so great, you know. I mean, it doesn't even make any sense when people say that, but it's the narrative, so people say it anyway. I'm just like well, mom tells me she doesn't want me to come visit her because she doesn't feel safe. Fine, rest of you guys go. Counts end.
Speaker 1:It is very difficult to you know, move people from what they believe. I very, very seldom do consults anymore. Brian's doing all of those I've done. We just had our 10 year anniversary. So for the last 10 years you can imagine, as you know, for 35, 38 years, however long you've been doing your business um 10 years, a long time to do consults right, it really is and try to run the company at the same time.
Speaker 1:So, but I just happened to pick up the phone right because the person kept calling and so yeah, uh, but it was about the bird flu and I basically, you know they wanted to know how can they be sure? And I said that's a very good question. How would you be sure? How do you know that the kibble you're feeding isn't just loaded with toxins? How do you know that the vaccines that you're giving isn't causing irreparable damage? How do you know that the vaccines that you're giving isn't causing irreparable damage? How do you know? How do you know what kind of test would make you feel okay, what kind of testing could the suppliers do that would make you feel okay, and what information out there is scaring you? I mean, I don't know how to make people feel okay about it. But I said you have one, one cat and this person had cats, right, so they were very worried about it. But I said, if you have to feed what you trust, right. And here's what I know.
Speaker 1:I think people just want to be heard, they want to know that you're doing your best. And, trust me folks, any company that's not making their food in their garage or in their backyard or there's some little bitty, you know they are under massive, we are under massive scrutiny. Seriously, you think that we're going to? You know, just take any old thing, and no, and the other thing is too. I know that all these are all companies. Dr Jasek would like to say this is a bunch of BS, this is total BS. But you know what? You can't even hardly say that because people take it so seriously and then they think you're willy nilly.
Speaker 2:And you think that you don't care and you're not looking out for their pets? Right, right.
Speaker 1:But during COVID, right, we know farmers that were just crushed emotionally. Their heart ripped out seeing their animals killed for this make believe. Now we know bogus virus. I mean massive amounts of animals. Why? Because you have to do that to convince the. I just said I don't. I sent her. I said, listen, I want you to read up on the FOIA request from Christine Massey. Start asking yourself if it was that big of a deal, would we just have one cat? And now we know that the way that this came about was very, um, bogus. It totally went outside of their own testing protocols.
Speaker 1:Because if you actually do the protocol the way you need to do it, you probably want to come up with a ability to force a recall. And you guys, you got to understand how do you force a recall? You do massive press releases, you threaten them with fines, you do a lot of things that can really take companies down. And then a company has to hire attorneys and then you're going to call and say why are your prices going up, right, how much time do you have? How long of a list would you like? You know what I'm saying. So who?
Speaker 2:decided when this cat died. This way, this whole thing just seems like a setup. Who decided that this cat's, that the food that this cat was eating, needed to be tested for blue bird flu? Because thousands of animals die every day? I mean just they do. It just happens we lose multiple patients a week. We work with a lot of you know cancer patients and stuff and they die, but I haven't had anybody yet say, well, I need my pet died, I need to get my pet's food tested for the bird flu. And maybe people will now. But like who? Who decided that? Who decided that that was?
Speaker 1:That was very suspicious, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean. And poor Northwest Naturals that they got to be the lucky company that this cat does happen to be eating.
Speaker 1:Right, and I know many of the suppliers that supply Northwest Naturals and more ash foods and all those, right, we all know them and I mean we've been through a recall back many years ago and it was kind of the same thing. Right, it's we, the FDA will walk in, it's a pass fail, it's not. We're going to name the strain of all the strains that a certain bacteria, and we're not going to say whether that bacteria is good bacteria or pathogenic bacteria. Right, this is the way they do it and they cost companies millions. It, and they cost companies millions.
Speaker 1:And the thing that always causes me to really question, dr Jasik, the validity of what these institutions do, because people will say, well, they're there to keep us safe, are they? Because why do we have dyes in our food? Why do we have carcinogens in our food when you go over to Columbia? One of the reasons that our kids love to go to Columbia in South America is because their food's so dang clean, right, it's so good. So if they are in the business to keep our pets and us healthy, why is the bad stuff in our food? Why is it?
Speaker 2:Cause they're grass, they're generally regarded as safe, whatever that means I remember the first time I heard that term. You heard that term. Say it again it's grass. It's generally regarded as safe. There's a whole list If you, if you look up online, grass, chemicals or whatever, there's an enormous list of things that are allowed in the food supply because they're generally regarded as safe. It's not that they've been tested, I think it's like by the FDA.
Speaker 1:Okay, this sounds like a circle jerk. I'm sorry if if that's offensive, but it does sound like that. I mean, it's just what? Now it doesn't even make sense okay.
Speaker 2:Grass ingredients database. If you, if you look up it is the fda, yep. The database allows access to opinions and conclusions from 115 scogs reports I'm not sure what scogs it's an acronym for something published between 1972 to 1980 on the safety of over 370 generally recognized as safe food substances. The grass ingredient reviews were conducted by the select committee committee in a response to 1969 white house directive by president Nixon. I mean it's, it's a, it's a whole database but basically they're not testing any of this stuff on the grass list it's. There's never been a report that it's been harmful. So nobody's ever said person eats this stuff. It causes like. There's never been a study done. There's never been a report that it's harmful. Therefore it's generally regarded as safe. So probably Okay, you know looking out for this.
Speaker 1:What's that? You know why there's not a study being done? Because they don't want us to know, because they're too busy poking us anally. Right, doing a, doing an anal test for something. I mean it's. I mean it's. Do you ever feel like you're crazy, dr Jasek, like you're losing it, like you're? Losing your mind All the time.
Speaker 2:Like. Sometimes I just wonder maybe I should have just gotten the jab gone happily along, you know, retired, traveled the world, whatever you know.
Speaker 1:Selling prescription foods.
Speaker 2:Completely oblivious to what's going on in the world. Just like you know, chris, my husband and I, you know we look at our siblings. You know that's the life they're leading and we're like, I mean, they're still alive, you know, but they just went along to get along and they're living these, like you know, idyllic, you know, life as retirees. Like maybe we should just be doing that. Are we something wrong with us?
Speaker 1:maybe something wrong with us maybe, maybe we're, we're the bad guys, we're, we're the nutcases, maybe. Why? Why are we? Why are we doing this, dr jc? It's been nice this will be their last podcast. We'll talk to you later. Yes, let's go on vacation.
Speaker 2:Let's say screw it and go on, let's go on vacation. Let's say, screw it and go on. Let's go to. Let's go to I don't know, costa Rica or somewhere, and lay on the beach. It'd be good food. It'd be good food. Yeah, better than better than here, because they don't have the grass list, you know.
Speaker 1:Right, won't get your anal cavity poked for some TheraGripper test. Oh my gosh, it's, it's just, it's maddening, it is so maddening. And still today you know when I, when I talk to people about their pet's health, you know when I hear it all the time. Um, I was talking to somebody the other day and he said I had these two Yorkies and um, and he said they're just so picky, they picky eaters. I said well, what are they eating? They're eating science diet. And I said well, um, so they're eating real food. Yeah, I said chemically laden preservatives. He goes. Well, that's what my vet told me to feed eight years ago. Eight years, your dog's been on science diet. You know what he?
Speaker 2:should do is is ask his vet to eat that nothing but that food twice a day for eight years and see if, if, if the vet wants to keep eating it.
Speaker 1:But, but what? Yeah, but the first thing that comes to your mind is that my dog's picky, your dog's sick of it.
Speaker 2:Your dog's smart Like I don't want to eat this crap anymore.
Speaker 1:Look, and it happens in raw food too, even pure raw food. So you know, I had someone that said, hey, hey, my dog is refusing to eat this. How long you been feeding that blend? At least a year, nothing else, nothing else. But because there was, you know, real raw food, dr Jasek. And I don't even look at it. It's just not my thing to scrutinize the color of the food, but I just don't. I don't, it's raw, it's if you have fish in it, if you have different organs in it and different seasons, different fruits and berries, different cuts of the light or dark meat and also oxidation the light or dark meat and also oxidation. Right, all these different things are going to change color of the food and there's a living tissue.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, it's not in a living animal anymore, but it's. It's a biologic. There's processes that happen.
Speaker 1:Right right. It's sort of like organic berries or raspberries. They're going to change, you know, once you know you wash them off and and you clean them, they're going to start decomposing. They're going to start getting that. Look to them Everything does. But for some reason, pet parents look at that and they're like my dog won't eat it. They don't like the color. I'm like no, I said I'm like they don't like the color. Trust me, the color is probably not your issue. The issue is that you've been feeding even if it's the best raw, the purest raw, the cleanest raw, you feed that same thing for a year. They're going to back off of it. They just don't want that every single day of their life Dogs are natural scavengers by nature.
Speaker 2:They like to go around and eat stuff and pick up stuff, and you know, good God, I mean the stuff I see Rex eat. I was cleaning the chicken run yesterday and I use, like you know, now we've had rain and the grass isn't growing so it gets muddy, so I use a lot of hay in there to run, you know. So they got a dry place so I'm, you know, pitching it out of there and then I take it go throw it where the garden is going to be. Well, this is like doggy delicacy. He's just out there laying on a big pile of this chicken chicken hay hulking through it, eating the chicken poop, like chicken poop, like. Well, I guess he's getting his dose of probiotic. My husband said I hope it doesn't fertilize him and make him grow faster because he's already big enough when the garden is fertilizer, like he doesn't need any more fertilizer, he's growing enough he looks so much like lozzie.
Speaker 1:He and lozzie look a whole lot alike. Now lozzie's a lot grayer because her mom was sable, uh, but their faces, those dark faces, just they look. So they look so much alike.
Speaker 2:I love that yeah, they're very striking dogs with those yeah like. He gets lots of compliments. We go out and about nobody tells me I'm beautiful. But you know, when you have a beautiful dog you still get a lot of attention.
Speaker 1:I know, I know we do with Lazi as well. She's amazing. But back to the way that humans think, right, so it's like no thought in the world that a dog might need some variety. No thought about that. It must be something wrong with the food, because it's a little bit different color than it was last time. I'm like, I promise you, because I am that person who feeds all of the busted rolls, all of the dried up crusty stuff, the stuff that people bring back. I mean, I have done that for so many years. I have zero worry about bacteria. I use my hands, my bare hands, when I'm packing my dog's food, right?
Speaker 2:I just my hands still smell like tripe because I touched them. I was actually freeze drying it. I like I get your big five, five pound rolls, just you know, for backup, just in case you know. We don't know what's going to happen. So I try to kind of regularly, um, and we've done a couple little road trips which I've taken the freeze dried with, so I keep replenishing. Well, I found that I have a four, four uh tray freeze dryer and so I found that your five pound rolls work really well. Like that one and a quarter pounds fits nice on a tray and you know I could just divide that up and you know that works really well. Well, I thought out a beef and tripe roll and I kind of push it. You know, use my hands to man. I'm like, yeah, well, yeah, it does.
Speaker 1:So when you do you have a harvest right. Freeze dryer yeah, we do too. The large one yeah, we, we. We were on a schedule, dr Jasek, forever. It was like every single day. Because what I found and I don't know what you're finding, and it depends on how you package it Right. So if you're doing it in like patties or something like that, we would take it and smash it out right on the whole tray and you know, smash it down and then and then freeze dry it and then just put it in little, break it up as we're packaging in it. But what I found was that I could do 12 pounds every 24 hours.
Speaker 2:Yeah, on just keep the thing running. I mean, the cool thing about a freeze dryer it's like it's not that hard, doesn't take that long. Once the food's thawed, you just mash it in the trays and then it's, it does its thing, usually takes about 24 hours, then you take it out. The trays are easy to clean. I mean, I have a dehydrator too and I did that for a long time and that's really messy. It's hard to clean the trays and stuff, boy, that freeze dryer is, that's just the bomb.
Speaker 1:And then I just put it.
Speaker 2:We got the little sealer. You know, put it in the mylar bags and, you know, seal it up. And it's great we took. We took our week long trip to Florida, our week-long trip to Florida. Well, because we have Rex, chris is like the dog is taking up half our car and I'm like well, sorry, as he should, as he should.
Speaker 2:That's just the way we roll. Now, you know, he wasn't really used to traveling with pets, so because Rex has his space in the back of the car and then we're in the front and so we, you know, just have this as my like my SVU ever have for. So basically all the stuff we were taking had to go in the backseat. So, rex's, we didn't have enough cooler space to take our food and fresh raw. So I had these bags ofdry raw and I just they fit them very nicely underneath the back seat so I'm just able to stuff enough on the back seat for rex for the week and he ate it just fine, you know, yeah, work great, you know it was. It was fabulous, um, to have that. Yeah, the freeze dryers are are great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know, one of the other reasons that that we were doing it too is because of these type of recalls, because of this bs that's going on, because you, you can see what they're doing okay, like they're trying to take, as they always have, the raw industries out and you look at what farmers the farmer's dog, so the farmer's dog is cooked food, guys, is cooked foods with a lot of stuff in it. But they use the whole mentality, the whole talk that they've heard us talk about in raw right and use that, uh, to sell that and that is a ginormous company. Now, why? Because all their money goes on marketing again they have ads on TV.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, the guy that was telling me that his dogs were picky. And I said, look, if you just give them real food, they probably won't be picky. But he goes, man, they sure did fool us. And I said, well, that's what marketing is all about, Does it? You know? Marketing is not whether it's true or not, or whether it's healthy or not.
Speaker 1:It's what grabs your mind and your heart. Right, so that you will open up your wallet and even like I cannot watch, dr Jacek, these advertisements. You've got hollywood celebrities coming in and doing this heartstring thing. Please donate today so these dogs don't have to stand out in the cold anymore, right, and they show all these terrible pictures about these dogs that are out and they're being mistreated. I have no idea where that money's going, right, but it pulls at your heartstrings. Now, if it was legitimate, I don't have a problem, but I find a small local shelter.
Speaker 2:You know you can go into your community, find the people. There's lots of people fostering dogs. You know that work with the rescues. I mean you can go into your local community and find somebody that could use. You know use resources. Or you know stuff, stuff. I got a whole box of stuff that you know toys and stuff that rex doesn't like that. Or you ordered so much stuff and you're like and I want that he likes his raw bones.
Speaker 2:Can you get him to eat any of those, even the dry stuff, even like dehydrated, like tracheas and stuff he did. He got a? Um. He got a giant bully stick from somebody for christmas and he did eat that, but that's the first like dehydrated treat he's eaten in a long time. He just nope.
Speaker 2:Give me a, give him a patella or a raw wing or a foot, and the dog is in heaven. Matter of fact, if I go to let him outside now, he goes and stands by the refrigerator and like hello, aren't you forgetting something? Where's my bra? Whatever, yeah, you won't touch any of this up anyway. So I've got a whole box of stuff I accumulate and then I just take it to. We've got, like you know, county animal shelters here that are very happy to have all that stuff and I'll give them a little cash because they're working right here in our community. I know a lot of dogs get dumped off and they do help them. They do help them find you know, find homes so you can find resources. But yeah, don't, don't buy into that propaganda.
Speaker 1:I mean, come on these celebrities are?
Speaker 2:doing that? How much money are they giving to this? You know, I mean, they're probably getting paid for those ads.
Speaker 1:Are they getting to this? You know, I mean, they're probably getting paid for those ads, right, right, so I just don't. Yeah, that's a great idea. Use your local resources.
Speaker 2:You know I've said for years, years, years, even before I was, you know, anywhere near as knowledgeable about raw feeding as I am now. I always tell people don't buy anything that's a pet food that's advertised on TV, because those ads are incredibly expensive millions and millions of dollars. So any company that's putting out a really good quality product is not likely to have, you know, the money there. It's because it's just not a big enough profit margin to be putting those ads on TV. So the companies putting those ads on the TV are making a crappy food, marketing the heck out of it, and they're selling it because it's on TV. So they make their money in the volume and people believing it's a good food because it's veterinary recommended or whatever, like not this veterinary.
Speaker 1:Not the O3 vet of the year no man, that is not. But I tell you what if you, if you have a diagnosis that you're questioning, if you want to understand more about raw feeding, if you, uh, have a dog that is in bad health and you want to treat them holistically, then you want to work with Dr Jacek's group. You really do. And I always say that getting all the information is the best thing you can do. Right, you've got the information from the standard care remember standard care and then I would get the opinion from the holistic side. See how you feel about it. You know, really, think about it.
Speaker 1:But you got to get that information first and I think what's great about you, dr Jasek, is that you've you know both sides. You know both sides, right, you're not just okay, well, I'm holistic, I have never been involved in standard of care. No, you know both sides, and that can give you a well-rounded ability to help direct people and help them in their time of sorrow, scared, scary feelings. You know what I'm saying. So I would get over to ahavetcom and work with Dr Jacek, wouldn't you, dr Jacek?
Speaker 2:wouldn't you say that you've got a well-rounded yeah, and I do know the industry well so I can really help people navigate. You know people say, well, my dog, you know, went into the vet. My dog got sick over the weekend. I got scared, took him into the er. This is the stuff they recommended. I can go down that. I'm like, yeah, I know exactly why they're recommending this stuff and no, I wouldn't do it. No, this isn't necessary. Maybe do this for a day or two.
Speaker 2:You know, like things like and I've seen trends, I've been doing this so long Like there's trends like the latest, like anytime dog goes in with any GI issue, they're going to come out on metronidazole, serenia, which is an anti-medic, stops vomiting, and it's mirataz, or there's a couple of. There's an appetite stimulant, like why on God's green earth would you give an appetite stimulant to a dog that's not eating? Yes, we want them eating again, but we need to correct the reason why they're not eating. You just throw a drug at them, but their bodies are probably telling them they need to fast. So, and this is the, the treatment is just, it's just all symptomatic.
Speaker 2:But anyway, you know, yes, I can help. That's probably a becoming a bigger and bigger. Part of what I do is helping people navigate that system, because I do telemedicine and sometimes there's things I can't. I can't look in an ear, I can't evaluate an eyeball, you know, there's just some things I can't do and people have to go in and then I'll say go in, get the hands on, then we'll look at the report and then I can help them discern based on what was found. Okay, I would do this, I, you know I would. I would not do this. So yeah, I can definitely. I definitely know the system.
Speaker 1:Yes, you do. Yes, you do, and we definitely know. Pet food, okay, guys, and prescription foods the farmer's dog, I mean. Look, I hate to talk down, you know, and you sell them in all the years that we've done this. Dr Jasek, we don't ever bash other raw companies. We don't typically bash anything outside the kibble because it's just crap. It's toxic, right. But I think that most raw companies are doing a great job. They're helping people, so I don't have any problems with that. I don't think there's enough raw companies that could take on. If every dog in the world decided today that they wanted to eat raw, I don't think we could take it on. So there's no reason for us to try to kill one another. That's just stupid.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly.
Speaker 1:But I would say that we do see a lot of UTIs coming over from the farmer's dog, and you know I probably shouldn't say that because then they'll like sue me or something like that, but whatever.
Speaker 2:It's just a correlation. You're not saying causation.
Speaker 1:Right, it's correlation, a correlation we don't know. I mean, maybe there's something else we don't know, but anyway, raw is not cooked. Let me just say that Maybe I should edit everything else out and say raw is raw, cooked is cooked. Let's don't confuse the two.
Speaker 2:Okay, because they're not the, just because it's not kibble does not mean it's raw. It's raw. There you go. There's this important you know intermediate and, matter of fact, karen, our nutritionist, she sent out an email saying that because she owns a pet food store, so she's dealing with this with her customers, and people are now panicking and cooking raw. You know buying raw and cooking it, but then you know there's bone in there, so then they're cooking it. Not only are you disrupting the healthy nutrition and raw unnecessarily, but then like things like cooked bone. I don't ever recommend feeding cooked bone. I think it denatures it, and so then dogs are going to be getting sick, potentially from the cooking. You just see this. I think I remember a favor at the beginning of something really, really bad here, that the way this fear has already taken off. That's just one case. Now a few more. Yeah, people need to use your noggins, use your common sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hopefully this new administration will get in and this kind of nonsense will stop. We will see. We are hopeful, right, we are hopeful that RFK Jr is going to do some things and and stop all this nonsense. But those are some big organizations. They're behemoth in their size.
Speaker 2:So so we will see so all you can do and trust deedy and raw dog food and company I still order your food, I'm not worried I buy my food and deedy I'm not worried.
Speaker 1:I'm not worried and my dog's eating duck poop, goose poop. I mean I'm sorry. There's no way I can keep her away from it as we're walking around the lakes and all those ducks and stuff and, quite frankly, dr Jasek, I'm not seeing a whole lot of ducks or geese die, right, I'm not. And the owls are here, the big owls. They haven't got the message do not eat the little birds because they might have a virus. So I don't know.
Speaker 2:It is what it is. Yeah, we had a hawk come in and kill one of our chickens here a couple of weeks ago and I and I took the carcass and I just, you know, flung it out into the woods alongside our property. You know, just let nature, you know, take its course. And and a couple of days later I was out and it was just getting dark and I was out with Rex where's Rex? Where's Rex? And I had my headlamp on and I look and then I'm. I see his beady little eyes, cause when you have your headlamp on, you know, their eyes reflect right in the woods, right there on that carcass, and I'm like he's out there eating that. I mean, it was already probably a day old when I found it and then it had been out there another probably three day old ticking carcass. I'm like, oh well, what are you going to do? I mean, he's still here and hurt him a bit amazing life on the farm.
Speaker 1:You know, like the farm right.
Speaker 2:So when people worry about their raw food being a little different color. It's like, come on, you know you spend a couple months on a homestead and see what your dog eats of its own volition, right well, if you have any questions, guys, you can always get over to raw dog food, and company brian is there to help you.
Speaker 1:My goodness, we have so many ways. We have a chat, we have the free 20-minute console, we've got the email, we've got the facts section. We can answer your questions. We can help you make this transition. It's super easy. Your pets will thank you and you definitely will see a change in your pet. So get over to rawdogfoodandcompanycom, where your pet's health is our business. And what O3 vet of the year, dr Jasek? Friends don't let friends feed kibble y'all, that's right, all right, we'll see you next week, everybody Bye-bye. Happy New Year.
