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The Raw Dog Food Truth
Pets with allergies, skin issues gut issues and behavior issues can live better lives eating a species appropriate diet not hard kibble or cooked foods. Your Pet's Health Is Our Business "Friends Don't Let Friends Feed Kibble"
The Raw Dog Food Truth
Uncovering Pet Food Myths and the Fight Against Outdated Rabies Laws - Dr. Judy Jasek
Uncover the shocking truths behind the pet food industry and explore the critical role bacteria play in your pet's health with hosts Deedee Mercer-Moffitt and Dr. Judy Jasek. Find out why the kibble in your pet's bowl might be doing more harm than good and the importance of consulting with a veterinarian before switching to a raw diet. We also dive into unexpected topics like the curious phenomenon of yolkless eggs and the hidden dangers lurking in synthetic fertilizers, offering insights into biologic alternatives that promote healthier soil and ecosystems.
Join us as we question outdated rabies vaccination laws and advocate for change. With an upcoming interview on the influential Solari website, we highlight the importance of raising awareness about vaccine-related injuries in pets. Our conversation tackles the legislative process, encouraging listeners to engage with lawmakers to update rabies vaccine laws and explore alternative options like titer tests. Personal advocacy is emphasized, with a mention of the chance to connect with Catherine Austin Fitz in Tennessee, underlining the power of face-to-face interactions.
Finally, we shine a light on the pharmaceutical industry's influence over veterinary medicine. With perspectives from Dr. Cowan that challenge traditional beliefs about viruses and vaccines, we confront the rising tide of chronic diseases in pets. By questioning the conventional wisdom of medical teachings, we aim to provide a holistic perspective on pet health. Our discussion encourages pet owners to consider the root causes of illnesses, advocating for informed decision-making that goes beyond mere symptom management.
Raw Dog Food and Company where Your Pet's Health is Our Business and Friends Don't Let Friends Feed Kibble
Oh snap, the world is finally waking up to the crap that's baked into and sprayed on kibble dog food. No longer can commercial pet food manufacturers fool us with pretty pictures and false promises. This is the raw dog food truth. The view and opinions expressed on this podcast are not intended to replace medical advice. Before starting any raw diet, do research, ask lots of questions and consult your vet.
Speaker 2:Well, hello Raw Feeders. I'm Deedee Mercer-Moffitt, ceo of Raw Dog Food and Company, where your pet's health is our business and we're friends, like my friend Dr Judy Jasik. Well, she doesn't let friends feed kibble Not in Colorado, not in Tennessee. Good morning, dr Jasik jacek. Well, she didn't let friends feed kibble, not in colorado, not in tennessee.
Speaker 3:Good morning, dr jacek. Not with green hay, eggs and ham, sam I am. I don't know eggs.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Do any of your chickens lay green eggs?
Speaker 3:not that I've seen we found, um, we had a couple yolkless eggs, which is interesting. They come out, they're really tiny and you crack them open and like there's no yolk, like it just a misfire, I guess, for something it's so weird that they still have to.
Speaker 2:Isn't that weird? Like that builds that egg, that shell around the little chick. I mean it's weird it's amazing yeah, it's not weird. It's amazing's not weird, it's amazing that's a better word.
Speaker 3:It's amazing Like like you know, like I've I mean you know eating eggs all my life. You just buy them at the grocery store. You don't really think about how they're made. But when you're out there collecting them every day and you see the little chicks walking around and then you go out there and the afternoon and there's like a dozen eggs out there and it's just. It's really amazing that this is. You know what they do and how they do it and you know the rooster is out there doing his thing like all the time, like dude, don't you ever need a rest? He's got 13 errands too. He's a busy boy. He is happy. He's a happy boy. Every now and then he'll come charge at me and flap his wings. I'm like, oh no, you just keep your distance, dude.
Speaker 2:That's so funny. Hey, I was going to ask you about fertilizer. You and I were talking about it. So you've got 10 acres and you know I don't put any fertilizer on my stuff here. You know I don't put any fertilizer on my stuff here. Uh, you, you were talking about fertilizer, how it is basically industrial waste. You were listening to somebody uh, dr, um, dr, merit, dr, merit. So all these people have these pretty lawns. Basically, are you saying that they're putting industrial waste that's toxic on their lawns?
Speaker 3:Yeah, industrial waste that has heavy metals and like arsenic, cadmium, things that are really, really bad for you. You think about your pets walking right on that stuff. And you know I've always thought fertilizers were probably okay. They're synthetic. You know, I like to do things really natural, like I try to use only biologicals. I don't go by like the. What are they? There's three the nitrogen, potassium and phosphorus or something, and PK fertilizers, because they're just synthetics.
Speaker 3:I don't recommend ingesting synthetic nutrients. I don't like to put them on the soil, but I always thought they're probably not toxic. Well, come to find out. So, dr Merritt, she gardens barefoot and she's out there watching. Her feet kept getting red and swollen. And she finally investigated her husband had bought some fertilizer and they don't use any of the chemicals. This is not insecticides, pesticides, any of those chemicals, just fertilizer. And then she looked into it and found out that there are actually heavy metals in these things. So, yeah, you, you need to use the, the biologics.
Speaker 3:There's actually some companies now putting out stuff that is actually bacteria. So this is actually like you. You spray actually bacteria to help build up the natural microbiome in your soil and that's what nourishes your plants. Because what I have heard is that in the soil. The nutrients that your plants need are there, but without the right bacteria they can't absorb them. So for anybody that's eating organic food, you're feeding your pet organic food. A lot of that's grown by monoculture and it's not grown in healthy soils. They don't use the chemicals, but if the soils are not healthy and they don't have the right bacteria, the plants can't absorb those nutrients. So they may not have the chemicals, which is a good thing, but they're kind of void of nutrients too.
Speaker 2:So yeah, you know, isn't that funny? I mean this whole bacteria thing, right, that people are. Just people think that that bacteria is bad and and what we're learning so much in these last couple of years is how it is the thing that you need. I mean, bacteria is there for a reason, right, it is there to do a job. Parasites are there because the terrain maybe isn't correct, right? So everything is doing a job and you have to really start doing your research and investigating so you know what's helping you and what's not.
Speaker 2:This is one of the things that I said to the bigglesons. I said I think a great course for you guys to put on would be you know when should I worry and when should I not? What is this thing doing? Because so much of the time we're shooting ourself in the foot, right. So you're like okay, my dog's, you know, feces was cultured and there's clostridium or there's E coli or there's salmonella. So then they want to take all that away. You're like but isn't that, you know, advantageous to a healthy body? Isn't it always there? What are the controls? I mean, it's just so. It's just like come on, yeah, or we were.
Speaker 3:We were talking last week with jamie. We're talking about benchmarks well, so it's there but how much is bad?
Speaker 3:so maybe those populations can get out of balance. But maybe when those populations go up, like clostridium is really common one that you know, people sample dog poop and they'll look and say, oh, it's clostridium. Clostridium, overgrowth got to put them on antibiotics. But maybe it's there for a reason, maybe it's cleaning something up. I've always said, well, it's a sign of an imbalance, but maybe it has another job to do, just like weeds in the garden, the guys that make this biological treatment for your soil. We're saying that the weeds serve a purpose and if you get your soil really nutritious and get all that natural microbiome going, that the weeds don't grow as much because they're not needed. So it's the same thing. Like the bacteria and the parasites, the weeds have a purpose because sometimes the weeds are, um, you know, bringing in certain nutrients or doing something that the soil needs. I mean it doesn't like to be bare for one reason, so one thing. So they'll always cover it. But they said, once you get that soil really healthy and then you're mulching, so it's covered in the soils, really happy, you don't have as much of a problem with weeds. I'm waiting for that day because our native vegetation here is really just taking over my garden. It's really hard to stay on top of it. So I'm going to be doing a lot of research this winter so I have a game plan for next year, because just our native grasses and stuff are just so invasive. But you know it's a learning curve.
Speaker 3:But it's the same thing in the body, you know it's about balancing things out, not killing things that might be there, might be there for a reason and, like you said, just because you find something doesn't mean that it's it's bad. Just because it's there, I mean how much it, you know, is bad. There's you know companies that do these biome testing and I don't. I've seen a lot of people follow these recommendations and spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on testing and supplements, and you know I'm working with them because their pets aren't getting better. So I just don't see, I just don't see good results because they're, because they're just generalizing Okay, these are the bacteria that a healthy dog's microbiome should have, and I think it's very, very individual.
Speaker 3:It's very, very individual. I don't even recommend probiotics anymore. I like natural ferments. If you want to give, you know, put some healthy bacteria in there. Then, like you know, put some healthy bacteria in there than, like you know, naturally fermented sauerkraut or other veggies or raw fermented dairy, only raw. Don't go buy, you know, yogurt the grocery store that's pasteurized, homogenized and all that stuff. There's probably nothing living in there. But yeah, I recommend that stuff to help replenish what bacteria might need to be there the body can figure it out.
Speaker 3:If we just give it the right tools, the body knows how to balance itself. You know, there's just this. You know, how does the supplement industry get so big? Is because we've been bombarded with information. Well, you treat this with that and this with that, and they need this and they need that, and there's lots of people that make a living selling that stuff.
Speaker 2:No, come on now.
Speaker 2:Yes it's true. Hey, you want to know. So Brian sent this information to me. You know he's always got the pulse on what's going on out there.
Speaker 2:But we're talking about, so people say this, this, and I'm sure you've heard this, but they say this to us all the time if, um, antibiotics, if prescription foods, if all that kind of stuff was so bad for my dog, why is my vet, why is my vet recommending it? Well, profits is what you were just talking about. And so Brian sent me this piece of information, and it's from Hills, which the title of just this one piece says Unlocking the Hidden Profits in Pet Foods. And it goes down the list, okay, profits in pet foods. And it goes down the list, okay, and it's showing the vets how they can really make a profit on this prescription pet food. And so they're going through this and they say clinics generally have an average of 35 days to sell pet food before they have to pay for it.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that's one. They got 35 days. They need to get this stuff out because if they don't, they're going to have to pay for it. And they said, with attention to inventory levels and understanding of Hill's terms, a clinic could have close to zero, invested in current inventory. Okay, so that's really, really important. And then they say markup is irrelevant in determining product profitability. Remember it's all about earns. Times turns, so they want you to turn, turn, turn that inventory over right before you have to.
Speaker 3:You only buy what you can sell within a month before you have to pay for it, because they give you, they invoice you, but you have 30 days to pay for your shipment. So you want to be getting rid of that? Yeah, so then you don't really, then they don't ever really have to pay for it.
Speaker 2:Right and they point out in this paper.
Speaker 1:they say pet owners spend one and a half times as much on food as they do veterinary services.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so they said um, approximately four to five percent of pet foods are sold through veterinarians and approximately 90 percent of pets could benefit from this nutrition that you're selling. And then they said pet owners who regularly purchase food from your clinic spend upwards of $200 more in veterinary services. Okay, now does this sound like it has anything to do with health? No, and it says when recommending pet foods, remember that you want to say this, ask for permission. You know, can I talk to you about food? And they say what do you feed? You know why do you feed this type of food and are you open to change? And they said and then make sure that you follow up with all clients to ensure that they understand your feeding recommendations.
Speaker 3:Wow, Big marketing game. Well, it actually does have a lot to do with health, because it keeps the pet sick, so that then they have that's have to come back in more. So they're actually, you know, you know, maybe not making a high profit on the food, but they're getting. Um, they're making a huge profit on all the medical services and all the drugs they're going to sell, when the pets keep coming back in because they're sick and they have itchy skin and they have diarrhea and all that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then he. Then he also sent me another piece, um, that it has this information. Hang on a second, let me try to get back over here. So he was saying this this piece that he sent me is a table of contents from the applied veterinary clinical nutrition textbook. Okay, he said, so take a look at chapter one. This is what's taught before any actual nutritional subjects are taught. And so in chapter one, you look at the average revenue from food sales and the potential strategies to increase your product sales. It also has creating and increasing revenue from nutritional advice, and so it's all about performing nutritional assessments, monitoring your patient's response, and so they really do teach them early on about how to be profitable, not how do we actually apply health knowledge?
Speaker 2:And I was listening to the Terrain Theory podcast, which you and I really like, with Ben and Mike, right, and they were talking about who were they talking with? Oh, it was Dr Sam and Mark Bailey, who just recently got out of the medical field, right, they turned over their license. They were like we can no longer be a part of this.
Speaker 3:Oh did they. Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, he got out in 2016 and I think she got out in 2020. Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:I think, that that was what. But they said, they, that all medical doctors, all medical doctors, are experts in medicine, but not health. Right, so they understand what, what the medicine, but not health. Right, so they understand what the drugs are, but not health. And this applies to our pets as well, right, which is why you are working on the whole rabies thing, right? And I want to ask you how's that going, how's this research going and looking at these mandates that I believe are making our pets sicker and sicker and sicker? We talked with Jamie Andrews last week, which was eye-opening, I hope, for a lot of people. But what's happening on your front right now?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I'm still waiting for the um, the solari interview. So we're actually supposed to be recording sometime this month. Um, it's going to be published on the solari site in september. So I am gathering information I put together. I spent a good amount of time putting together a very concise outline of talking points for this interview because I want to make sure certain things get covered and I get the feeling the person interviewing me isn't really fully aware of what's really going on here. So I I kind of condensed all the information like we talked about in the webinar and tried to make it. You know, I don't know how much time we're going to have. So I kind of condensed all the information like we talked about in the webinar and tried to make it. You know, I don't know how much time we're going to have. So I kind of pulled out the most important points and sent that to her.
Speaker 3:She's traveling out of the country so I probably won't be in contact with her till she gets back and we actually record the interview. But we should be recording that. And then I'm actually going to meet Catherine Austin Fitz. It's actually going to be in Tennessee September 6th. There's a meetup. She comes and travels around the US and spends a lot of time in Tennessee and does little meetups. So I'm actually going to get to go meet her and kind of get in front of her a little bit. It doesn't hurt to put a face to the email.
Speaker 3:You know she busy lady does tremendous amount of work and this may not be her highest priority, but she does talk about it. I mean, I hear her talk about it on other interviews. You know how people she tells stories about people whose pets are really injured by these vaccines. And you know if we can just, if nothing else, raise more awareness and I'm really excited to be getting on Solari because they have a huge international audience and to really get this out there as a talking point. I think is going to be huge. And then, you know, hopefully, with their guidance, you know, can eventually take it before the legislature. We'll see.
Speaker 3:I don't really know anything about the process of doing that. Unfortunately, one of our really great senators, frank, nicely lost his primary and he was one of the more you know forward thinking for the people. You know lawmakers in the state, so he won't, he'll be, he won't be staying in office, but you know, you know what, what I, what I heard, what Carolyn Betts is going to be interviewing me said that you know anybody in office. Their objective is they want to get reelected. So now there's certain agendas that are probably going to be filled, no matter what people say, but they do listen to their constituents. So one thing anybody could do in any state is start writing to your you know your legislatures, your, your congressmen, your senators. Find out who they are and they. Their job is to be representing you and if they get enough letters on this issue, it will get their attention. You know write, write letters. You know make phone calls. I mean, that doesn't take a lot of time and we're not going to change the vets. I'm I'm convinced of that. They got their heads up their butts and just isn't going to change the vets. I'm convinced of that. They got their heads up their butts and just isn't going to change. They're just way too indoctrinated. But the thing that they, that the vets, stand on when this rabies issue is well, it's the law, well, it's the law, well, it's the law, you know, and they've decided that they need to be the vaccine police. That's not their role, but they still have the laws to stand on.
Speaker 3:If we could get the laws changed, maybe even just that, you know, you could get a titer test or something. I mean, I think it's. What does that even do you know? Well, yeah, I think I don't think that we don't even know what the titer test means. In my opinion, the only purpose of a titer test is if it gets a pet out of the vaccination, right, and then I'm I'm all for it. But there's no real evidence anymore that there are even like specific.
Speaker 3:Well, how can you have antibodies against something that doesn't even exist? First of all, we're pushing this whole you know I don't want to say agenda, it's fact. I mean, if you go back into the history you can prove that this rabies narrative was all made up. It was invented by Louis Pasteur and and the. There was other contemporaries of his time that spoke out against it, but this was the narrative that got pushed. I mean, it really can be proven and with Jamie Andrews' work and his information about how bogus the virus testing is, you can really prove without a doubt that viruses don't exist. So you can't have antibodies to something that doesn't exist. So what are they testing for?
Speaker 3:I don't know, but at this point in time, if a pet can go get a titer test and the number on that piece of paper says they don't have to get a vaccine, then you know I would do it Ideally. I mean we should just have these laws repealed. They're based on absolutely nothing. So that would be the ultimate goal. But there might be steps in that process. We might not be able to just get there because this rabies narrative is so strong and there's so much fear around it.
Speaker 3:But really, people start speaking up, start writing, start saying, hey, we have to, we need to go after the laws. I think we're not, you're not gonna. I thought you know, maybe I could give people some ammunition they could push back against the vets, but they just get laughed out of the office, you know. But if you can go after the lawmakers, that's easy. You can do that at home. You don't have to confront anybody. You know, just start. Just start writing letters.
Speaker 3:Find out who you know the lobbyists are. You know they're the ones that are pitching things to to your lawmakers. Find out who you know the lobbyists are. You know they're the ones that are pitching things to to your lawmakers. So if you I mean if you want things to be different, you know you have to take action. You can't just sit back and complain about, you know, the stupid rabies mandates and well, I have to get it. Well, if you want things to be different, we have to start pushing back and if we can start to get the.
Speaker 3:Well, if you want things to be different, we have to start pushing back. And if we can start to get the laws changed, you know, just start speaking up, get the word out there. Let your legislatures know that and use the information. I mean Jamie presented such great information on the interview we did last week. You know, know, you guys can watch that and just use that. His stuff is widely published. You can go on his sub stack. It's free. He has all the evidence you would need to present to your legislatures that this was just all this virus stuff was just all made up so it. You don't even have to do a ton of research, just craft a letter. Maybe we should do that.
Speaker 2:Maybe we should write a letter, a template right, send out to people so the question is this how in the world do you write a law all across the country based on nothing, um, based on false evidence? So I guess, from what I understand, that because of cell death right in a Petri dish, because you've added antibiotics, you've starved it, you've taken the nutrients away and it starts to break down. It you've taken the nutrients away and it starts to break down and somebody decided that was, quote unquote, a virus. Then we wrote laws based on that. Is that what I'm to assume?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean that's and that's something I have yet to investigate. And when I get to talk to Solari more about this, that's going to be one of my questions Like, how do you find out? There had to be some original evidence that they base this law on. You just make a law, you just pull it out of the ether and say we're going to make a law on this. There had to be some original information that they base this on and with all the new information we have, should be pretty easy to debunk that. But I just don't know how, because these laws are old. So how do you find out, like, what information was used to make the law? So that's, I think, definitely a really great question that I have yet to find that out, I think definitely a really great question that I have yet to find that out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I was looking in Dissolving Illusions by Susan Humphreys and I see where back in 1904, in Macon, georgia, december 23rd 1904, there was a guy that was shot and killed because he was refusing to submit to a vaccination. So, yeah, so in this book she says the old penalties for refusing to be vaccinated are shocking and that they were putting people in a military prison at Fort Leavenworth, like for 15 years, doing hard labor because they would not submit to a vaccination. So this stuff's been going on for a long time. And I guess what I'd like to know and she has a lot more examples of that in here of how this actual chapter is called the power of the state.
Speaker 2:But you know, it would be interesting to know and this is where you are treading in dangerous waters who's behind that law, right, and you can only assume behind that law, right, and you can only assume the pharmaceutical companies, right, or the Rockefellers, or whomever at the time, that would. I mean you got to think about this, dr Jacek. There was no way for the public to really get another side of the story right. They didn't have podcasts then they didn't have the internet there was, you know, you could really contain the information, you could control the information, you could put out fear propaganda, right, you could do all types of things to get this narrative going, and this has been going for a long time. So, yeah, it would be really, really interesting.
Speaker 2:I just you know somebody, so we posted that interview with with uh jamie on our rumble site and one of the comments that I got back was well, you can do all this work, you can put all this information out there, but nothing is going to change. And I'm like, well, that may be true, but that doesn't negate that the truth should be told. Right, the truth should be told. And so people can make a better decision. And, just like during COVID, there were people who decided they were going to leave their jobs, they were going to get out of the military, they were going to, you know, do whatever they had to do to keep their bodily autonomy Right. And same way with the pets.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 3:I think you just need enough people. I think in COVID there weren't enough. I mean, if a hospital had 30% of their staff walk out because they didn't want to get the shots, they would have changed their policy like that, because they're just went all their income, because they can't function. If it's one or two people which is just like it is now with veterinary clinics they have one or two crazy clients. They're like well, just go someplace else, we don't care if you go someplace else, but if they lose 25% of their clientele, that will make a difference because you'll be hitting them in the bottom line. And we were just saying a lot of this is all about profit. So it takes enough people and I do believe that if we can, if we get the truth out, you know that will that will snowball. I think that's really what we need to be doing is getting the truth out. But then people do need to be acting on that truth. If you just keep doing the same things, even though you know differently, well then acting on that truth. If you just keep doing the same things, even though you know differently, well then you know shame on you. You know we need to be taking this information and doing something about it, and if enough people, I think, acted on this, I do think it would make a difference. I mean, look at, like the military, now they're begging people to come back, all these people that left because they didn't want to get the shots. They're begging people to come back, all these people that left because they didn't want to get the shots. Now they're all understaffed and they're begging people. I know what I'd tell them for me, but now they're desperate. So that did make a difference. They they ended up changing their policies and I, you know, I think it can make a difference. I mean, ultimately, what we need is a parallel system. We need another system of veterinarians that are operating differently and thinking differently, and so there's more choices for people, which I'm working on a project to that end as well and in veterinary education. If we can get more people or more vets feeling confident in practicing in a different way, and then people have more choices, then again that's going to pull income away from the conventional vet. So, right, just getting information out there isn't going to change, but people need to start acting on it, and I do think the first step is awareness. People just have to be aware that this was just all made up, and I think, too, you're mentioning we were talking about how this gets started.
Speaker 3:I think what they do is they designate an expert. Covid was Dr Fauci, right, dr Fauci was God. You don't follow Dr Fauci, you're not following the science. He was the expert. Was he an expert? No, he got created and he was the spokesperson.
Speaker 3:They put him out there as the expert and what Fauci said, you know what? He's the one that made all the laws. And even if he backpedaled, you know, master, bad, master, good, master, bad. You know, yes, they work. No, they don't work. You know asymptomatic carriers. No, asymptomatic. You know he, even though he changed his tune, whatever was coming out of his mouth at that point in time was like golden, that's what. So I think they just designate a you know a quote, unquote expert, and then that's who they listened to. Or the CDC very well, you know, could have been like with rabies. I don't know when the CDC was created, but you know, you have an organization created and then whatever that organization says is is the law. So I think it's something like that. But people need to realize these organizations and people are not experts, they're just. They're just being told that they're the experts and that we need to believe what they say and that we need to believe what they say.
Speaker 2:So, you know, I wonder if we could create a short questionnaire for people to be able to ask their veterinarians a couple of questions that would start to alert the veterinarian that they don't know. Maybe they don't know that they don't know. And so, for instance, you know you had that client that sent that letter, that email that said do you have this proof and I've asked several veterinarians for feedback, for questions for Jamie on this issue that shows that there is no virus because we can't get enough snot, we can't get enough spittum, we can't get enough of it to see it. So how do you say here's a mandate based on something we can't see, we've never seen, but we're going to blame it on it and we're going to base policy on it. I mean, I think that the thing is that they still believe that they have isolated a virus, right, and so we as people have to get really clear on this.
Speaker 2:And I sent another substack to you, dr Jasik, from I think her name is Sarah Conspiracy Sarah and she broke it down as to what Jamie was saying in really great layman's terms and basically it's this they have taken this snot or whatever spit, whatever they're going to use from a sick person, let's say Okay. From a sick person, let's say okay, it's never. They've never only taken that substance and put it in a healthy person and made them sick. What they've done is taken the nutrients away from said substance. Not only taken nutrients away, but also put in antibiotics and dyes and things that poison it.
Speaker 2:Okay, and then it starts to break apart, right, starts to have cell death and they say that is the virus. And what jamie has done is said you know, there's these banks, right? There's these cell culture banks that supposedly have no virus in them, right, totally clean. And they've taken the nutrients away from that. And it does the same thing that supposedly this culture did that has a virus in it. So is it that all of the cell banks are contaminated with the virus or is it that there's not really?
Speaker 3:a virus, right, and they're just killing them. I mean you just think about it, if you take away the nutrition of a cell and they oftentimes put in like toxic antibiotics, like gentamicin, that also causes cell death. So they're doing these things that they know are going to kill the cells but then they say, well, look, there's the virus. So he's done the same thing and says, but the microscope pictures look exactly the same, you know, even without the supposed introduction of the virus. I mean he has side-by-side pictures of the supposed like measles virus. I mean he has side-by-side pictures of the supposed like measles virus and HIV and polio, where there was no supposed virus introduced. He just went through the same process, less the supposed virus, and the pictures are exactly the same. I mean you just really can't argue with his evidence.
Speaker 2:Right. And if you can argue with the evidence, then present it. Present it Right.
Speaker 1:Show us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, show these guys right how they're wrong. And the question really comes down to who loses more money. If you prove that a virus doesn't exist, who loses? What happens? And, dr Jasik, if a virus doesn't really exist, what are?
Speaker 3:vaccines for the whole vaccine industry goes away Billions and billions, probably trillions of dollars a year in that industry. So they're not. They don't want this information getting out For sure. They want to keep people afraid. The thing that's kept this rabies narrative going is the fear right. Supposedly one of the very few viruses. Well, now we have bird flu that can jump species, but it's one of the few viruses that supposedly is what I learned about it can affect any mammal. Other viruses don't do that. What is that? That just makes it easier to be afraid of it. And now they can mandate. And now there's these new travel restrictions. I actually had heard a few weeks ago.
Speaker 3:I have a number of Canadian clients. I had one Canadian client that had a new puppy and she was going to come to. She comes into the United States periodically and she said, well, they're changing the laws and I won't be able. You can't bring a dog less than six months old into the country, probably because then they can. It's easier for them to require rabies because you can't say, well, it's too young. So every pet you know coming into the country is going to have to have a valid rabies shot.
Speaker 3:So for you people like to travel with your pets. You have a choice you want to travel internationally with your pet. I got no solution for you. The mandates are strong. You just got to not do things that it's required. And if you're going to do that, you're just going to have to get the rabies shot. But it just makes me laugh and like there's you know how many millions of humans coming across our borders illegally not stopping them? But oh my God, three month old puppy couldn't have that. That's a security. It's a big. It's a big security risk. You know to have those. You know eight or 10 week old puppies coming across the border. But yeah, they're making making that law. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:So I wonder why this? This doesn't make sense to me that if they're coming across the border and they have to go through some sort of checkpoint and we are so worried about viruses that we have to have all of our kids, you know, vaccinated at the wazoo, including our dogs, why can't they just give them a shot as they're coming across? Why don't they?
Speaker 3:yeah, I don't know, as they're coming across, why don't they? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean maybe they'll have that set up. I mean, you guys, you have to really look at what is nonsensical. What does it make any sense? Right, and I think we don't understand how to look at the methods section to say where is the controlled study? Right, and I loved what Jamie said, especially for the raw dog food companies, when the FDA is coming in to perform some sort of a bacterial check, what instrument are they using? What are the controls? What instrument are they using? What are the controls? I guarantee you that no processing plant. Maybe they don't know this information, but they don't push back on the FDA. They're afraid. They're like let me see how you did this. How do you? You know, how does that really equate to a sick dog? And it never has equated to a sick dog.
Speaker 3:And what's the benchmark? You know they say, well, there's bacteria. Okay, how much bacteria? How much bacteria does it take? You know, show me your benchmarks.
Speaker 1:I mean those are very legitimate questions.
Speaker 3:But, yeah, they're afraid. They create the fear, you know, and they just want the FDA to go away. So they play nice because they don't want to be shut down or they don't, you know, want to be, you know, shut down for longer than they have to be during the time of the recall, cause it's really hard in the business. But that's the whole point. They want to make it hard on these raw food companies because then they can promote the, you know, kills and brocaine and and all these other foods. They don't want these small companies. You know people are seeing how much healthier their pets are on these raw foods. They don't want that taking hold. So they have to make it really hard for these, these smaller companies, to exist.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, why do you think that I don't hear a whole lot of other folks that are in our industry talking about the dangers of vaccines, like you and I do? Why do you think that is?
Speaker 3:yeah, I, it's a good question. I mean they talk about, you know, minimizing them and stuff, but I don't think they really talk about how really bad they are. And I hear I can't think of another veterinarian that I know of that talks about that viruses don't exist. I think most even holistic vets are still pretty germ theory. Oh sure, sure, they still. Well, I mean, I was until a few years ago. I mean I just started listening to Dr Cowan. Well, covid time.
Speaker 3:I started listening to more of this stuff and it took me a while. I had to listen to his stuff like a number of times before I started to get my head around. Okay, maybe these, like when I first heard him say that, I'm like, oh, that can't possibly be true. I was one of those, because that's we're so indoctrinated. And I think it's harder for people medically trained people because it's we've been so indoctrinated to believe that someone like Jamie he was a geologist in no medical background. He just came up and started looking at the facts, like, what do you mean? They don't have controls? Well, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3:He hadn't been indoctrinated for decades to believe a certain thing and so it was very easy and very logical for him to come up with this evidence. He didn't have to relearn. He's just seeing it with fresh eyes and like, look, this doesn't make any sense. I had to relearn. I knew that vaccines were bad and I was, you know, encouraging people to minimize vaccinations. But the whole non-virus thing is new to me. And yeah, there's nobody. It'd be very interesting. I'm going to the HVMA conference the end of September and it'd be very interesting to see if there's any. You know, no virus talk, I bet there won't be.
Speaker 2:I bet there won't be any. But you know what would it be like if you would do this, dr Jason, if you stood up and you said have we? How do we have we ever isolated? You know, I was, I was just, you know, doing some research. Did you guys know I've there's never been anything isolated? The FOIA request, they would probably say sit down or escort her out right now.
Speaker 3:You know what I should do you know it'd be really interesting is when they do their call for papers for next year's conference. I should submit that I should write that up as this is to you know. Say, I want to be a speaker there talking about this and see if they'd accept it or not. Just put the information down and, you know, put an outline together.
Speaker 2:What if you lied? What if you said you were going to give a certain presentation and you and you did give part of that presentation, but but, but then you just came in yeah and you actually said did you know that the FOIA request and you could do it like this?
Speaker 2:you know I don't. I don't even know how to answer my clients who ask me do I really see that a virus has been isolated? Do I really believe It'd be like I'm looking like a fool because I just found out that all these FOIA requests don't have any real evidence. There's no correlation between the said rabies and you know the test.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, present it like how I learned the information, like I used to believe this stuff and you know kind of talk about how I came to realize this and like here's the evidence.
Speaker 3:I should, I should do that, I should put that in for a talk next year Because they're always really hungry for speakers, because holistic vets don't like to put their stuff out there. You know, they're kind of shy, they like to stay in their own little corners, not, you know, not let too many people know that they're the ones going against the grain and all that. But I'm past that. I'll. I'll have to do that. I'll have to keep an eye out, because they do their, their call for papers, pretty early, I mean pretty soon, I think, after the conference. So it'll probably be at this fall for some time. I should, I need to keep that on my radar. You do.
Speaker 2:I would try to get in there just to come and watch you do that. That would be. It would be. It would be great.
Speaker 3:Cause I'm so over like I don't care what people think they can take my license if they want, like I don't care anymore. I just, I just want to tell the truth. That's, that's just just. You know, we're on the raw dog food truth, right? We tell the truth here. I just want the truth to get out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I look back at what we have gone through during the whole COVID thing, right, so many people were fooled, so many people were damaged and hurt because they believed a narrative that wasn't true, right, and I think I started thinking about the way we think. What do we think? How do we think? Why do we just accept things as true that we have no proof of? We just go, oh, that's a good looking, looks like a reputable person in a white coat, look at the you know TV commercials, or there's a celebrity or there's and, and we just believe we don't have, we don't ask for doctor, we don't know. We've assumed that they went to school to understand how to make pets healthier, but then they were trained to sell drugs right not support the pharmaceutical.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, not that you didn't learn about the anatomy of a dog and how to open it up and put it back together. That's probably the one valid thing we actually did learn.
Speaker 3:Like if an animal's bleeding, you could go in and stop the bleeding or you know something, or fix a broken leg. That's probably the one valid thing we actually did learn, but the rest of it and it's all. You know, the know, the, the it's. The pharmaceutical companies are supporting the vet schools and they're telling them okay, we're going to give you all this money. You teach your veterinary students and it's the same for medical students. You teach these things, teach them to sell our drugs and we'll give you research money. We'll give you research money, we'll give you grant money or whatever. That's what happens and it's really too bad and you have to undo that learning in order to do something different.
Speaker 2:That's how you scale a business, dr Jasek. Yeah right, that's how you scale it, because you've got how many vets graduating every single year. So figure this. I mean they're. They're like oh my gosh, we're going to have this many new soldiers and they're going to push it and we're going to give them the profit. You got these debts to pay back, so get on it, get on it.
Speaker 3:Well, and these companies, these big pharmaceutical, I mean, these are huge conglomerates like Mars and Colgate, I mean there's only what? A couple of these big corporations that own everything. Everything else is a subsidiary. So, these same companies that are in cahoots with the pharmaceutical companies, they also own the corporate veterinary clinics, your VCAs and your Blue Pearls and the Banfields and I know Banfields owned by Mars now, or it has been for a while.
Speaker 3:So the vets really don't. They're not even making their own decision, but it's a condition of their employment to do what the corporate executives say as far as what they can sell, what they can talk about and what they can recommend. And it's the same companies that also own the food. These food companies are subsidiaries of these big companies, so it's just one big corporate conglomerate and it's just all interested in the bottom line and how best to improve your bottom line line and how best to improve your bottom line but keep your patients sick.
Speaker 2:Well, and you know, I used to think why would you even bother with us, why would you even bother with the raw dog food companies? Because we're such a small portion of I think it's getting larger and larger but we're a small portion of the kibble right, that's still the dominant food out there. But I realized this is that, just like negativity, you want to get rid of somebody in your organization that has a negative attitude, a negative energy, because it spreads. Well, so does this information. And they're like if that really gets a hold and it starts spreading.
Speaker 3:And does this information and they're like if that really gets a hold and it starts spreading and and you know they're gonna have to play whack-a-mole a lot bigger now it's not, it's not just you, it's people start seeing that their pets are so much healthier and then they and all these pet parents start talking amongst themselves and then they're blasting it out on social media and like, hey, you know, my pet was really sick and I saw this raw food and it got better. So that information spreading, that's what they're afraid of.
Speaker 2:Right. And once you start snapping people out of it, you know you wake up, stand up and snap out of it, right. So then all this other information, you're like, well, what else have I not known, what else have I believed that isn't on the up and up? And that's when you start looking at these vaccines. And I think the other thing too, is that when you have a control group and this is why I can't understand vets that don't want to look into it I mean that's a whole right, you understand why they don't profits, annihilation, you know, losing their job, blah, blah, blah. But when you really look at it and you're saying, okay, I'm seeing more and more dogs, earlier and earlier, with cancers, different types of cancers. We got kidney problems, we got liver problems, we've got all these types of cancers. We've got kidney problems, we've got liver problems, we've got all these types of problems. And we know now that there's no proof that a virus exists, then you have to start looking at poisons, right, you have to start looking at what has poisoned the body.
Speaker 2:Whether you thought it was a good thing or not does not matter what you thought. Is it a poison? Is it? Is it a toxin that has gone into my dog that has set off a chain reaction of chronic disease? Right, can't absorb any nutrients. There aren't any nutrients in, in in certain foods. There's toxins in those foods. And now, every single year, maybe even every every month, dr Jacek, I'm going to put a toxin or a poison in my dog and I'm going to expect that dog that I love so much, that loves me, that thing that I just, you know, get this pure love from. I'm going to expect it to just be able to overcome it. Maybe I'm going to feed it, you be able to overcome it. Maybe I'm going to feed it raw food, which is great, you definitely got to do that. But you're going to put all those toxins in there and expect that dog to be healthy. Right, I cannot snap people out of that. I just can't. I, they, I don't program to believe that.
Speaker 3:And I think I think sometimes that's why people have a hard time of this no virus issue, because they are seeing symptoms. What do you mean? There's no parvo virus. You know, I had a puppy with parvo. It was sick, it had vomiting, it had diarrhea. Yeah, puppies get sick, dogs get sick.
Speaker 3:But if there's no viruses, so people say, well, that can't be true, because I saw my dog get sick. But we have to look at just what you're saying. What makes them sick. Sick it's the toxins, the things like fertilizer with all this crap in it and stuff they're spraying and things in our water and toxins and in you know foods like you're feeding, any kind of processed food, kibble, canned, any of that there's. You know there's no truth in labeling like they can put all kinds of crap in there without you knowing about it or without needing to be on the label. So toxicity is what makes pets sick.
Speaker 3:And all of the you know pharmaceuticals like you're saying, all these preventatives every month, and the antibiotics, all of those drugs are toxic and the more pets are on them over and over and over again, it gets harder and harder and harder for the body to detox. That's what's making the treatments and the preventatives especially, I think the preventatives, especially the vaccines, the heartworm, the flea and tick, that's what's really making our pets sick. But that's really hard for people to understand. You know a lot of the the cancer patients I work with. You know they they get that wake up call when their pets are sick with cancer and they're desperate like how on earth could this happen? Then they're a little more open to new ideas. But before that a lot of people on my vet told me that's what I needed to do. And well, there's fleas and ticks where I live. So I got to put them on these, on these medicines.
Speaker 3:And you know what, if my you know dog gets bit by a bat and gets rabies, you know they're told these narratives are so strong and they're so afraid and they just don't believe that their vet would do anything to harm their pet. So they do it until a lot of people won't change, till they get the wake up. I mean, I work with an itty bitty, bitty bitty percent of pet parents that see what's going on and come to work with me and those are the people I want to work with. I'm not going to wake anybody up. I'm not interested in doing that. But what about all the other? It makes me so sad to think about the millions and millions and millions of pets that suffer because they're just getting all these conventional treatments and they just keep getting sicker and sicker and they lead horrible quality quality life.
Speaker 2:So I, you're right, I'm not going to. I'm probably not going to wake anybody up, but I can't really. And you know, brian does a free 20 minute consult. That's great. He will help you get on the right food, the right bones, right treats, all that kind of stuff. But if you come to us and you say I'm doing processed foods, this is a real case. I'm doing processed foods. I'm doing processed foods. This is a real case. I'm doing processed foods. I'm doing greenies. Yes, I'm totally up on all vaccinations. I'm doing flea and tick and heartworm. I just need a supplement to stop my dog's itching. Right, okay, we could, we could just recommend any supplement. We could do that, dr Jason.
Speaker 2:I mean, people do it all the time, but the issue is that that's not going to change anything, right, you're not getting to the root of the problem. Or if you're feeding a raw diet and you're continuing to do all of the toxins, you're putting the toxins in the body and you want to know why your dog's liver enzymes are going up, why your dog has all these lymphomas. You know everywhere and you're wondering what's wrong with the raw food. It's like, okay, can we look at toxins and poisons first? Can we look at that, it's just food. It's just real food. Okay, so it would be the same thing. You guys are out there in the grocery store, you're staying on the outside aisles, right, you're eating real food, but, gosh, you're doing antibiotics all the time. You're going and getting your flu shot constantly. Any new vaccine that comes up, you got to run out and get it with shingles. I might get shingles, and so I'm putting all that stuff in my body. And then I look at the real food and I say, why did you cause me issues?
Speaker 3:Blame it on the food. Must've been the lettuce. Yeah, must've been, the must've been the lettuce.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, right, exactly it's. I don't know, I don't know either. I think we just need to keep putting the truth out there, just keep putting the information out there, and I think it does help. People need to sometimes hear it more and more times, but I think most people need to. They need to have an experience that they have a wake up call. Or you know a lot of people, new clients I work with have had one or more pets with cancer already and they're like okay, clearly, following the best recommendations isn't working. What, what can we do different? And those are the people that I really want to work with, because they're like, ready to now. They know, and they know something. They need to do something different. They're all.
Speaker 2:They're all on board with it good, good, and you can work with dr j6 team at AHAVetcom, ahavetcom Also. Listen, guys, the whole interview that we did with Jamie Andrews is on our Rumble page. Okay, we've got so many videos over there short videos, long videos, that's the Rumble site. So Raw Dog Food and Company, just go over to Rumble type that in You're going to see all the interviews. And then in that interview that we did with Jamie, I do have a link to his sub stack and you can follow this work if you want some real proof. Also, christine Massey, who's gone out there and asked for all of the information that would say, hey, we have absolute proof that the Parvo virus exists and there is nothing and you know or this or that, and so yeah, and um, hopefully that'll give you ammunition to feel more confident to make better decisions. But we're not the pet police, dr jacek. We're just out here giving the information because we care about pets and um, and that's that and that's that.
Speaker 3:You, you, you guys have the choice. You know nobody can make you do anything. Nobody makes you do anything. You have to be a choice and you have to advocate for your pet, because they don't get to make a choice. But you think your dog would say, hey, do you want to go in and get you know six poisonous vaccines and then some poisonous flea and tick and some heartworm preventative and then this awful diet that's got all these other toxins and no real nutrients in it. You think your dog would be like, yeah, sign me up for that, let's go do that. You know they don't get to choose. People are also misinformed, but humans still get to make a choice and our pets don't.
Speaker 3:And that's why I'm passionate about doing this because we have to speak for the pets.
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Speaker 3:oh my god chris, my husband said yesterday like what's bigger do you think he's gonna get? I'm like, well, he's only six and a half months old, so he's got a bit of how much?
Speaker 2:How much does he weigh right now?
Speaker 3:I don't have an actual scale probably 55 pounds, I bet 50, 55. He's pretty pretty good, pretty good size, you know, and he's lean. He's got a lot of you know bulking up to do. And I noticed, like you know, when we're walking, you know, and like I want to give them a treat, like I don't have to bend over anymore, just like oh, there you go it gets easier, doesn't it gets? Easier, the older they get gets easier.
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